Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Sorry that moral maze won't work, for what do the voting public have to vote for before criticism is permitted?
I don't see much evidence of the same attitude going in the direction of Remainers do you?
Where you perceive that a vote has been placed, particulary in a case like this where it was little more that a knee jerk reaction without being properly thought through and not in possession of enough facts to reach a pragmatic decision, there is nothing about it that makes it sacred nor the person who made that decision immune from criticism.

Utter BS.

 

[Woosh]

Sorry that moral maze won't work, for what do the voting public have to vote for before criticism is permitted?

some do use nasty epithets in their criticism.

 

[Zlatan]

some do use nasty epithets in their criticism.

Which OG supports from some yet criticises in others.

 

[Zlatan]

Oyster
I notice you supported Tom's leavers are racist rant. Could you please explain how you can do that yet apparently support Corbyn. You are agreeing to a post which identifies all leavers, approx 17kk.voters,plus Labour leader as racist. Are you suggesting Corbyn is a racist? Tom does so frequently yet fails to explain his reasoning.It surprises me when we'll educated posters support the views of a bigot.

 

[oldgroaner]

I simply quoted historical facts

In your learned but biased opinion.

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[oldgroaner]

Actually I never have, you have chosen to see otherwise, why do you do that,I simply remind you that you are doing the very things you criticise others for, and see no irony in that.

Which OG supports from some yet criticises in others.

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[Zlatan]

Actually I never have, you have chosen to see otherwise, why do you do that,I simply remind you that you are doing the very things you criticise others for, and see no irony in that.

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Of course you do... And when did I generalise and call groups. I ve stated fact. Tom is a bigot, you are biased. That's not insulting to an entire section of population. And it's not bigoted ... Tom ( and yourself occasionally) insult those with different opinions. Tom is intolerant of all other views and you never ever say so. I say something slightly untoward and it's straight in.
You really should go back over mine, yours and Tom's posts.
I have never criticised any opinion held, only criticised intolerance. If you can't see that you are being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. I, ve said all along remain might well be correct but I don't think so. How on earth is that bigoted.
You frequently level at me I came to clear Swamp. If folk posted with a modicum of respect and politeness it would not need clearing.
If I came on here and said all remainers are idiots and racists I wonder how long it would take for you, rightly, to have a go. Woosh would also in his unbiased fair attitude also say it wasn't on. Yet for this entire thread Tom has said exactly that and worse but not a word. Why? Because he just happens to agree with your politics. So from your point of view you have completely different standards according to which political stand point taken...hence... You are biased. Fact.
We should all be able to criticise poor behaviour from either and both sides of divide. When we can't we are only making matters worse.

 

[flecc]

Of course you do... And when did I generalise and call groups. I ve stated fact. Tom is a bigot, you are biased. That's not insulting to an entire section of population. And it's not bigoted ... Tom ( and yourself occasionally) insult those with different opinions. Tom is intolerant of all other views and you never ever say so. I say something slightly untoward and it's straight in.
You really should go back over mine, yours and Tom's posts.
I have never criticised any opinion held, only criticised intolerance. If you can't see that you are being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. I, ve said all along remain might well be correct but I don't think so. How on earth is that bigoted.
You frequently level at me I came to clear Swamp. If folk posted with a modicum of respect and politeness it would not need clearing.

Congratulations, a three paragraph post and you didn't type Corbyn once. That must be a record.

Shows there's hope for you yet.
.

 

[Zlatan]

Congratulations, a three paragraph post and you didn't type Corbyn once. That must be a record.

Shows there's hope for you yet.
.

None for Robdon.
Distraction techniques now OG... Evading issue... Must have hit a nerve...
And as anyone else noticed Robdon shows up same time as Tom...

 

[oldgroaner]

You really should go back over mine, yours and Tom's posts.

I do, and that should worry you.
And this is interesting
You frequently level at me I came to clear Swamp. If folk posted with a modicum of respect and politeness it would not need clearing.
And if you remember added these
"Then stayed to play with the Alligators"
and later
"And only succeeded in swamping the Drains.
You arrived with an attack on all and sundry remember? how arrogant was that?

 

[oldgroaner]

Of course you do... And when did I generalise and call groups. I ve stated fact. Tom is a bigot, you are biased. That's not insulting to an entire section of population. And it's not bigoted ... Tom ( and yourself occasionally) insult those with different opinions. Tom is intolerant of all other views and you never ever say so. I say something slightly untoward and it's straight in.
You really should go back over mine, yours and Tom's posts.
I have never criticised any opinion held, only criticised intolerance. If you can't see that you are being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. I, ve said all along remain might well be correct but I don't think so. How on earth is that bigoted.
You frequently level at me I came to clear Swamp. If folk posted with a modicum of respect and politeness it would not need clearing.
If I came on here and said all remainers are idiots and racists I wonder how long it would take for you, rightly, to have a go. Woosh would also in his unbiased fair attitude also say it wasn't on. Yet for this entire thread Tom has said exactly that and worse but not a word. Why? Because he just happens to agree with your politics. So from your point of view you have completely different standards according to which political stand point taken...hence... You are biased. Fact.
We should all be able to criticise poor behaviour from either and both sides of divide. When we can't we are only making matters worse.

Well Glory be ! I was about to refer to your arrival with an attack on all and sundry on the thread, but it would seem you have become wary of people revealing your past indiscretions with this
"
Pedelecs - Electric Bike Community - Error
This member limits who may view their full profile.

Oh very Droll! but no matter I have (very inconveniently from your point of view) an excellent memory of what has been posted

 

[oldgroaner]

Distraction techniques now OG... Evading issue..

Not with you
Is this an admission or an accusation, and who is it aimed at?

 

[Zlatan]

Well Glory be ! I was about to refer to your arrival with an attack on all and sundry on the thread, but it would seem you have become wary of people revealing your past indiscretions with this
"
Pedelecs - Electric Bike Community - Error
This member limits who may view their full profile.

Oh very Droll! but no matter I have (very inconveniently from your point of view) an excellent memory of what has been posted

You, ll have to explain that... My full profile has never been filled in... Unless you actually believe in father Christmas... You might want to give your ID away to all and sundry, I have no intention of doing so...
What my ID has to do with opinions expressed goodness only knows... But my ID /profile has been unchanged and unique since day I arrived... Which, I can assure you is more than some who post on here. Wonder how many double I'd posters we have? Robdon.and Tom I wonder...????

 

[oldgroaner]

Of course you do... And when did I generalise and call groups. I ve stated fact. Tom is a bigot, you are biased. That's not insulting to an entire section of population. And it's not bigoted ... Tom ( and yourself occasionally) insult those with different opinions. Tom is intolerant of all other views and you never ever say so. I say something slightly untoward and it's straight in.
You really should go back over mine, yours and Tom's posts.
I have never criticised any opinion held, only criticised intolerance. If you can't see that you are being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. I, ve said all along remain might well be correct but I don't think so. How on earth is that bigoted.
You frequently level at me I came to clear Swamp. If folk posted with a modicum of respect and politeness it would not need clearing.
If I came on here and said all remainers are idiots and racists I wonder how long it would take for you, rightly, to have a go. Woosh would also in his unbiased fair attitude also say it wasn't on. Yet for this entire thread Tom has said exactly that and worse but not a word. Why? Because he just happens to agree with your politics. So from your point of view you have completely different standards according to which political stand point taken...hence... You are biased. Fact.
We should all be able to criticise poor behaviour from either and both sides of divide. When we can't we are only making matters worse.

And we should also be able to criticise hypocrites who imagine themselves to be "Thought Police", yet feel free to use the very methods they criticise in others.
And attribute their own meanings to the statments of others
Something you are continuosly guilty of, almost as often as your personal attacks on politicians you don't like.

 

[Zlatan]

Not with you
Is this an admission or an accusation, and who is it aimed at?

You, you did not answer anything. Just rambled on and gave some sarcastic comment about Corbyn. But by all means associate yourself with a proven bigot. No skin of my nose.

 

[oldgroaner]

ou might want to give your ID away to all and sundry, I have no intention of doing so...

Well that makes sense at least after Brexit happens leave supporters might find investing is a false beard could be a definite advantage

 

[oldgroaner]

You, you did not answer anything. Just rambled on and gave some sarcastic comment about Corbyn. But by all means associate yourself with a proven bigot. No skin of my nose.

Still not with you, what post are you referring to, and what question did you pose?

 

[oldgroaner]

Let me have a go at that, it's really a matter of choosing between these two options

1. Leaving the EU in an attempt to repeat the mistakes of the past and pretend the world hasn't changed and we can still lord it over all and sundry for the benefit of a parasitic Elite only
   
2. Accept the the future of Humanity is to form larger and larger groups for the benefit of all even if it damages the wealth of the Elite.for the benefit of the rest of the population

Now ask yourself which option offers harm to the Future generations?

It's so simple the mind boggles that anyone fails to understand what is at stake.

Hmm it seems that simple though the choices were there are still some who managed to dislike the post!

 

[Zlatan]

And we should also be able to criticise hypocrites who imagine themselves to be "Thought Police", yet feel free to use the very methods they criticise in others.
And attribute their own meanings to the statments of others
Something you are continuosly guilty of, almost as often as your personal attacks on politicians you don't like.

And find me one post where I have criticised peoples opinions, you are the one who has to label everything. What constitutes thought police? That's exactly the BS I expect from you but you dare not for one moment criticise your buddy Tom and all his generalisations and insults. Brexidiots, racists, scum are all acceptable from Tom. Two faced I guess OG.

 

[oldgroaner]

Which OG supports from some yet criticises in others.

It seems someone manages to be both on your side and disliking your post at the same time.