Brexit, for once some facts.

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And we should also be able to criticise hypocrites who imagine themselves to be "Thought Police", yet feel free to use the very methods they criticise in others.
And attribute their own meanings to the statments of others
Something you are continuosly guilty of, almost as often as your personal attacks on politicians you don't like.
You are very selective about those you criticise. They must be leavers,then you change what they have said.
You never answer the points raised and insist on supporting bigots by your refusal to condemn.
 
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It seems someone manages to be both on your side and disliking your post at the same time.
So what... Folk can dislike individual posts but agree with stand taken. Its exactly what you can't do. Try condemning those who call entire sections of population scum, idiots racists... They are the ones who will lead country into aggression and conflict. The ones hijacking Brexit on some crusade of class war. Corbyn is proof Brexit is not intrinsically class ridden. You and your buddy (Tom /Robdon) are just too thick to realise it.
All this Brexit is purely for wealthy to avoid tax oh and for thick racists to get rid of immigrants could only be put forward by those completely missing what is going on.
 
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And find me one post where I have criticised peoples opinions, you are the one who has to label everything. What constitutes thought police? That's exactly the BS I expect from you but you dare not for one moment criticise your buddy Tom and all his generalisations and insults. Brexidiots, racists, scum are all acceptable from Tom. Two faced I guess OG.
The simple fact is, that despite every attempt by you I have not been drawn into the contest between you and oldtom.
This was a conscious choice, mine to make, not yours.
It is you that has drawn your own conclusion based on nothing more than your own attitude that I am "His buddy" and "Support him" etc, despite my earlier posts to the effect that he and I are not in any form of association, and his opinions are his own, not mine.

Please try to understand this simple fact of life, I do not have to agree with you to criticise anyone or not, nor do I have to excuse my decision to you.

And why are you calling me "Two faced" because I will not be bullied into agreeing with you?
But by all means carry on making a fool of yourself if that amuses you.

I take it that the following comment from you is proof that you don't insult people?
"You and your buddy (Tom /Robdon) are just too thick to realise it."

In actual fact that is a commendable effort, three insults simultaneously!
 
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So what... Folk can dislike individual posts but agree with stand taken. Its exactly what you can't do. Try condemning those who call entire sections of population scum, idiots racists... They are the ones who will lead country into aggression and conflict. The ones hijacking Brexit on some crusade of class war. Corbyn is proof Brexit is not intrinsically class ridden. You and your buddy (Tom /Robdon) are just too thick to realise it.
Zlatan haven't you understood yet? there is no way you can bully me into saying anything I don't intend to, or involving myself in your personal vendettas.
Do give up, this will get you nowhere, there's a good chap.
 
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So what... Folk can dislike individual posts but agree with stand taken. Its exactly what you can't do. Try condemning those who call entire sections of population scum, idiots racists... They are the ones who will lead country into aggression and conflict. The ones hijacking Brexit on some crusade of class war. Corbyn is proof Brexit is not intrinsically class ridden. You and your buddy (Tom /Robdon) are just too thick to realise it.
All this Brexit is purely for wealthy to avoid tax oh and for thick racists to get rid of immigrants could only be put forward by those completely missing what is going on.
I'll buy that punchline. (I'm always a sucker for a good joke)
What according to you is going on?
 
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Zlatan haven't you understood yet? there is no way you can bully me into saying anything I don't intend to, or involving myself in your personal vendettas.
Do give up, this will get you nowhere, there's a good chap.
So you are admitting it now OG. You can't criticise a bigot who has called all leavers Racist idiots all Tories Scum yet you latch on to everything I mention.
You continually knock Brexit and leavers and have done so for 2 years now but fail to even recognise the very reason May Etal have been able to ride rough shod is through such as Tom and Corbyn destroying any semblance of opposition. Even more ironic is fact Corbyn wants to leave to, yet Tom continues on his class war, posting about fascists and socialism. Not a word from you. I thought you had a handle on what was going on. You are clueless. You have been conned.
But carry on turning a blind eye to such as Tom.. Its exactly why there is no viable labour party. Its been ruined by left wing idiots.Aggresive, nasty envious ones at that.
The two faced comment is a product of your thought police for me(an utter construct in your imagination) and failure to criticise abhorrent comments from others.
So please explain why you have two sets of standards when reviewing posts.
The extreme left has been a god send for Tories. It's just passing everyone by. It's a joke but a bad one.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1020943/labour-party-conference-extreme-left-downfall-jeremy-corbyn-michael-portillo
 
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So you are admitting it now OG. You can't criticise a bigot who has called all leavers Racist idiots all Tories Scum yet you latch on to everything I mention.
You continually knock Brexit and leavers and have done so for 2 years now but fail to even recognise the very reason May Etal have been able to ride rough shod is through such as Tom and Corbyn destroying any semblance of opposition. Even more ironic is fact Corbyn wants to leave to, yet Tom continues on his class war, posting about fascists and socialism. Not a word from you. I thought you had a handle on what was going on. You are clueless. You have been conned.
But carry on turning a blind eye to such as Tom.. Its exactly why there is no viable labour party. Its been ruined by left wing idiots.Aggresive, nasty envious ones at that.
The two faced comment is a product of your thought police for me(an utter construct in your imagination) and failure to criticise abhorrent comments from others.
So please explain why you have two sets of standards when reviewing posts.
The extreme left has been a god send for Tories. It's just passing everyone by. It's a joke but a bad one.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1020943/labour-party-conference-extreme-left-downfall-jeremy-corbyn-michael-portillo
No,your fantasy is of no interest .
You voted for leave consequently all your what iffery over the opposition is simply a smokescreen you use to create nonsense arguments, and your protests about the behaviour of others equally so , as you insult people equally readily as do the people you complain about.

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No,your fantasy is of no interest .
You voted for leave consequently all your what iffery over the opposition is simply a smokescreen you use to create nonsense arguments, and your protests about the behaviour of others equally so , as you insult people equally readily as do the people you complain about.

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Gone back to BS now OG. Its utterly pointless discussing with you. Cheerio OG. Go support your mate Tom.
 
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The truth seems to have had the desired effect!:cool:

Ah well he's only doing one of his occasional "Nigel Farage" retirements and will be back
Didn't notice any criticism of Tom's normal kind of offering. Just more of same from a pair of pillocks.
And no semblance of an explanation of how he resolves contradiction in supporting Corbyn yet criticising anyone that supports leave from the bigot. He, s obviously too thick to get the point..Resorts to troll insults when he, s confused,.
But keep it up the pair of you, doing a brilliant job of keeping May in no 10.

https://theconversation.com/how-does-theresa-may-cling-to-power-heres-the-secret-to-her-success-96302

You two should have a good read of this but then again you can't really educate pork.
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An extract from link. Labour what a joke at moment. But keep flogging a dead horse in your class war Tom, at least you and your kind are keeping Tories happy. Idiot .
Labour, Corbyn and the loony left perfectly illustrated by Tom are more guilty than any Brexit voter for the stupid predicament we are in at moment.
 
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Didn't notice any criticism of Tom's normal kind of offering. Just more of same from a pair of pillocks.
And no semblance of an explanation of how he resolves contradiction in supporting Corbyn yet criticising anyone that supports leave from the bigot. He, s obviously too thick to get the point..Resorts to troll insults when he, s confused,.
But keep it up the pair of you, doing a brilliant job of keeping May in no 10.

https://theconversation.com/how-does-theresa-may-cling-to-power-heres-the-secret-to-her-success-96302

You two should have a good read of this but then again you can't really educate pork.
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An extract from link. Labour what a joke at moment. But keep flogging a dead horse in your class war Tom, at least you and your kind are keeping Tories happy. Idiot .
No more Mr Nice Guy eh?
I personally want May to stay in no 10, how many times do you have be told that for it to sink in?
Just look at your post
"You two should have a good read of this but then again you can't really educate pork."
"at least you and your kind are keeping Tories happy. Idiot"
Do you realise how foolish you are showing yourself to be?
 
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Zlatan

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No more Mr Nice Guy eh?
I personally want May to stay in no 10, how many times do you have be told that for it to sink in?
Just look at your post
"You two should have a good read of this but then again you can't really educate pork."
"at least you and your kind are keeping Tories happy. Idiot"
Do you realise how foolish you are showing yourself to be?
And you aren't ?
 
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Do you realise how foolish you are showing yourself to be?
Your self righteousness knows no bounds does it OG.
Now then guys, the thread is just becoming a personal slanging match.

I'd suggest we settle for this:

The Tories will stay in until the next General Election, continuing to make a mess of things, both Brexit and domestic, while getting increasingly unpopular.

Labour with Corbyn will then tumble almost accidentally into power as a result of the electorate's desperation for anything different. They'll then muddle through, making mistakes and only lasting around five years, but incidentally doing some popular things like nationalising the Railways, Post Office and Water.

Those will be appreciated, but as usual an ungrateful and fickle electorate will boot them back out. A bit like the Attlee government history repeating, in some but not all respects.
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Now then guys, the thread is just becoming a personal slanging match.
You've got a point there flecc, I shall limit my responses to on topic posts only from that source in future and to the respond with the observation "off topic" when they are not

And the rest of your post is very much the same way I see things unfolding.
 
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Now then guys, the thread is just becoming a personal slanging match.

I'd suggest we settle for this:

The Tories will stay in until the next General Election, continuing to make a mess of things, both Brexit and domestic, while getting increasingly unpopular.

Labour with Corbyn will then tumble almost accidentally into power as a result of the electorate's desperation for anything different. They'll then muddle through, making mistakes and only lasting around five years, but incidentally doing some popular things like nationalising the Railways, Post Office and Water.

Those will be appreciated, but as usual an ungrateful and fickle electorate will boot them back out. A bit like the Attlee government history repeating, in some but not all respects.
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And then the Tories will have to clear up the mess that Labour have made with their unrealistic policies, and be made to look the bad guys. They will be in power for 2 terms and just as things are on the up they will get voted out Labour will get in and the cycle will start again.
 
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And then the Tories will have to clear up the mess that Labour have made with their unrealistic policies, and be made to look the bad guys. They will be in power for 2 terms and just as things are on the up they will get voted out Labour will get in and the cycle will start again.
Possibly but the mess already made by the conservatives will take much longer than that time scale to be corrected

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