Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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As we predicted the Express is running this headline
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EU to offer UK 'SUPER-CHARGED' Brexit deal in major breakthrough for May
THE European Union is planning to offer the UK a “super-charged” free-trade Brexit deal, Brussels diplomats have said."

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oldtom

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Empathy is a a god's gift to humankind. Why don't you use it more talking to fellow posters?
Is that a fact? So you want me to be nice to people who voted to destroy my children's and grandchildren's future just because they hate foreigners and believe that the UK will somehow once again be a major world power?

Those same people have had it spelled out to them just what a disaster 'Brexit' will be but they don't give a fig for anyone else so long as their racist dream comes to fruition. This whole 'Brexit' issue is the 21st century version of the 20th century 'Deutschland Uber Alles' and is a revival of the fascist movement in every way except the UK is not as well equipped to rule the world as the Germans were.

But hey! Just you sit there on your fence and pontificate about the Swiss model, the Swedish model, the Canadian deal, EFTA, WTA and any other alternatives rather than stick with the best deal in town, full membership of the EU. Meanwhile, I shall reconsider my views on the possibility of a god and the gift of empathy and just hope that the people of the UK get the chance to do the same with the racist dream of 'Brexit', That, of course, will require decent people to stand up to bullies.

Tom
 

oldtom

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As we predicted the Express is running this headline
"
EU to offer UK 'SUPER-CHARGED' Brexit deal in major breakthrough for May
THE European Union is planning to offer the UK a “super-charged” free-trade Brexit deal, Brussels diplomats have said."

The reader's comments are uncomplimentary!
Any idea as to how soon the details of this new, 'supercharged free-trade 'Brexit' deal will be published? Surely, the propaganda organ which has headlined this breakthrough won't keep its readership on tenterhooks until next year?

Tom
 
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Is that a fact? So you want me to be nice to people who voted to destroy my children's and grandchildren's future just because they hate foreigners and believe that the UK will somehow once again be a major world power?
can you back up your claim that brexit will destroy your children's and grandchildren's future?
in any case, brexit has not happen and may even not happen.
Until the UK leaves the customs union, please tell me what's changed?
 
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can you back up your claim that brexit will destroy your children's and grandchildren's future?
in any case, brexit has not happen and may even not happen.
Until the UK leaves the customs union, please tell me what's changed?
And even before it has been agreed, let alone happened, we are getting lots of bad things happen. Like loss of the European Medicines Agency.

There are many people from the EU living in the UK who have felt increasing pressure on their lives.

All decisions about the future are confused and difficult to make. People have done things like change nationality because of the possibility of brexit. Businesses, from very small through to huge, have no idea what to do.

And think about all the money being put into things like M20 lorry parks, recruiting border staff (not just in the UK, of course) and other just-in-case preparations. Even Tesco saying they will be increasing stocks.
 

oldgroaner

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can you back up your claim that brexit will destroy your children's and grandchildren's future?
Let me have a go at that, it's really a matter of choosing between these two options
  1. Leaving the EU in an attempt to repeat the mistakes of the past and pretend the world hasn't changed and we can still lord it over all and sundry for the benefit of a parasitic Elite only
  2. Accept the the future of Humanity is to form larger and larger groups for the benefit of all even if it damages the wealth of the Elite.for the benefit of the rest of the population
Now ask yourself which option offers harm to the Future generations?

It's so simple the mind boggles that anyone fails to understand what is at stake.
 

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I really don't think I need to - all will become crystal clear, even to you, next year. Happy fence-squatting meantime.

Tom
As much as you fear Brexit for UK economic future the more economically astute in Country fear Corbyn and his policies. No matter the depth of feeling you have with your opinions does not give you the right to insult.
Your whole attitude smacks of self rightous bigotry. You have an opinion. Guess what so does every other of the UK population.
Anyone promoting idea leavers are racist is simply showing their lack of knowledge and fact they have bought into propaganda. Grow up Tom. Your immature outbursts are not called for. Woosh does not sit on fence. He offers unbiased knowledgeable views of both sides but to anyone with a modicum of judgement its easy to see which side he actually supports.
 

oldtom

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There's a video clip here that I hope can be watched by anyone interested and it's about an explanation of what the tory party is really about; that's the tory party determined to drag the UK out of the EU in spite of the fact that half the nation don't want to leave:


Some of the associated comments make good reading…….

The Tories exist to keep British capitalism in power while suppressing the working class!

The Conservative party exists to conserve. To conserve the wealth and power of the wealthy and powerful.If anyone tries to tell you different they are lying.

I like this one best of all:

The Conservative Party exists to conserve the Golden Rule...them that have the gold make the rules.

Tom
 
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And even before it has been agreed, let alone happened, we are getting lots of bad things happen. Like loss of the European Medicines Agency.
they move premises, the effect of the move on the whole of the UK and the EU is practically nil except on those who work there.
 

Zlatan

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Let me have a go at that, it's really a matter of choosing between these two options
  1. Leaving the EU in an attempt to repeat the mistakes of the past and pretend the world hasn't changed and we can still lord it over all and sundry for the benefit of a parasitic Elite only
  2. Accept the the future of Humanity is to form larger and larger groups for the benefit of all even if it damages the wealth of the Elite.for the benefit of the rest of the population
Now ask yourself which option offers harm to the Future generations?

It's so simple the mind boggles that anyone fails to understand what is at stake.
In your learned but biased opinion.
 

Zlatan

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There's a video clip here that I hope can be watched by anyone interested and it's about an explanation of what the tory party is really about; that's the tory party determined to drag the UK out of the EU in spite of the fact that half the nation don't want to leave:


Some of the associated comments make good reading…….

The Tories exist to keep British capitalism in power while suppressing the working class!

The Conservative party exists to conserve. To conserve the wealth and power of the wealthy and powerful.If anyone tries to tell you different they are lying.

I like this one best of all:

The Conservative Party exists to conserve the Golden Rule...them that have the gold make the rules.

Tom
And the current Labour Party championed by extremists such as yourself are doing a great job of keeping them in power. Rather ironic.
 

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Let me have a go at that, it's really a matter of choosing between these two options
  1. Leaving the EU in an attempt to repeat the mistakes of the past and pretend the world hasn't changed and we can still lord it over all and sundry for the benefit of a parasitic Elite only
  2. Accept the the future of Humanity is to form larger and larger groups for the benefit of all even if it damages the wealth of the Elite.for the benefit of the rest of the population
Now ask yourself which option offers harm to the Future generations?

It's so simple the mind boggles that anyone fails to understand what is at stake.
the future of brexit is still not written, it is driven by the party in power. Attacking peple who drive it is right, attacking people who voted for it is wrong. The latter have been asked to vote which they did, don't take it out on them for doing what was asked of them.
 

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As much as you fear Brexit for UK economic future the more economically astute in Country fear Corbyn and his policies. No matter the depth of feeling you have with your opinions does not give you the right to insult.
Your whole attitude smacks of self rightous bigotry. You have an opinion. Guess what so does every other of the UK population.
Anyone promoting idea leavers are racist is simply showing their lack of knowledge and fact they have bought into propaganda. Grow up Tom. Your immature outbursts are not called for. Woosh does not sit on fence. He offers unbiased knowledgeable views of both sides but to anyone with a modicum of judgement its easy to see which side he actually supports.
I do do enjoy your posts, and the way irony escapes you entirely
You are totally aginst being called a bigot, and being insulted, and then post this
"your opinions does not give you the right to insult.
grow up Tom. Your immature outbursts are not called for."
And also
No matter the depth of feeling you have with your opinions does not give you the right to insult.
"Your whole attitude smacks of self rightous bigotry"
If that is what you really think, why did you post that and commit the very sin you complain about?

And then this of course about Corbyn
"the more economically astute in Country fear Corbyn and his policies.
Economically astute" equates with approving Tory economics does it?
Now that is an original idea!
Haven't you in your own words done the very things you complain of in others?
"and in fact they have bought into propaganda."
Clearly you have.

I don't so much fear Corbyn and his policies, but rather the reaction of the parasitic elite to undermine them.
And his poor judgement over what could be achieved by remaining in the EU
 
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oldgroaner

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the future of brexit is still not written, it is driven by the party in power. Attacking peple who drive it is right, attacking people who voted for it is wrong. The latter have been asked to vote which they did, don't take it out on them for doing what was asked of them.
Sorry that moral maze won't work, for what do the voting public have to vote for before criticism is permitted?
I don't see much evidence of the same attitude going in the direction of Remainers do you?
Where you perceive that a vote has been placed, particulary in a case like this where it was little more that a knee jerk reaction without being properly thought through and not in possession of enough facts to reach a pragmatic decision, there is nothing about it that makes it sacred nor the person who made that decision immune from criticism.
 

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Sorry that moral maze won't work, for what do the voting public have to vote for before criticism is permitted?
I don't see much evidence of the same attitude going in the direction of Remainers do you?
Where you perceive that a vote has been placed, particulary in a case like this where it was little more that a knee jerk reaction without being properly thought through and not in possession of enough facts to reach a pragmatic decision, there is nothing about it that makes it sacred nor the person who made that decision immune from criticism.
Being called racist is not criticism and you know it.
I like the way you apply different standards in assessing my posts, which you have an obsession with, and those of Tom.
Tom has proven himself to be a bigot. Fact.
I notice he still hasn't realised his contradictory stance on supporting Labour who are led by one of biggest anti EU politicians in the country. Yes, I see you have had sense to withdraw support for current Labour but still fail to see the irony in Tom's lunatic stance. He does nothing but castigate Tories and Brexit supporters but supports Corbyn. How does that work OG, you see the slightest irony in my posts but the glaring ones in Tom's you support.
Tories are virtually operating under a single party democracy at moment. That is purely at the feet of Corbyn.
 

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