Brexit, for once some facts.

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And I notice Macron has been drumming up support for a leave vote if we do get another never endem referendum...
 

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And I notice Macron has been drumming up support for a leave vote if we do get another never endem referendum...
France stands to profit most from a hard brexit and that will also stop those who drag for scallops off the Normandy coast in the summer months.
 
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very apt word to describe how banks do not work for us.
I have already complained that too much of our money is spent on servicing mortgage on our lodgings and our brightest and ablest graduates are hosed up by the city every year, same thing happens to our pensions, insurance and savings. They lend that money back to our government. Result:the interest payment alone is more than our education budget.
To break that circle, we need to release land to build 2m-3m small houses in the next a decade.
We will have plenty of housing if we reduce the population. It is the continuation of the state sponsored breeding program which is the problem. We should stop all financial, educational and housing assistances for second children born after a future cut off date. A good proportion of them are birthed by slappers anyway and in turn will grow up to yield more “good for nothings.” We don’t want or need them, so why house them?
 
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We will have plenty of housing if we reduce the population.
not really suitable stocks. We need a lot of small, well insulated and designed maisonettes for single occupation. If we curb immigration too much, we'll have to ship out our pensioners who need residential care to India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, South Africa etc. These destinations are not a long term solution and will also drain a lot of capital from the UK and don't forget death duty in those countries.
 

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not really suitable stocks. We need a lot of small, well insulated and designed maisonettes for single occupation. If we curb immigration too much, we'll have to ship out our pensioners who need residential care to India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, South Africa etc. These destinations are not a long term solution and will also drain a lot of capital from the UK and don't forget death duty in those countries.
I’m not sure that I understand why we would need to transfer our pensioners to the other side of the world.

I agree regarding single occupancy accommodation. Many town centre shops which are now empty are being converted to flats in my area. I think this is a good use of existing property. The days of town centre shopping are over, never to return.
 
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I’m not sure that I understand why we would need to transfer our pensioners to the other side of the world.
I think there is a ratio of 3 people needed to support one pensioner in residential care. When the new immigration policy kicks in (2021), there will be about 1 million more people in their 90s and acute shortage of nurses and care workers because of the high requirement for their work contracts: they'll need a work contract worth £50k+ a year to get a work visa. That will limit the ability of care homes to recruit locally and from abroad. The result is like what happens in the NHS, if you have money, you'll go private. If you have money, you can be cared for here, if not, your family will be forced to ship you abroad in your nineties. One family visit a year is all you'll get.
Have you watched the Real Marigold Hotel?

PS: average stay in care homes is 3 years, £200 a day.
 
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I think there is a ratio of 3 people needed to support one pensioner in residential care. When the new immigration policy kicks in (2021), there will be about 1 million more people in their 90s and acute shortage of nurses and care workers because of the high requirement for their work contracts: they'll need a work contract worth £50k+ a year to get a work visa. That will limit the ability of care homes to recruit locally and from abroad. The result is like what happens in the NHS, if you have money, you'll go private. If you have money, you can be cared for here, if not, your family will be forced to ship you abroad in your nineties. One family visit a year is all you'll get.
Have you watched the Real Marigold Hotel?
I can’t see families waving granny off at the dockside as she sets sail on the banana boat to be cared for by some injuns. The reality is that immigration policy will be flexible and it will adapt to suit workforce demands. That’s always been the intention.
 

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I think we can live without scallops
most of our scallops fished from Scotland and the English channel get sold to the French and Spaniards, we import frozen scallops from Pantagonia and China.
Same thing happens to lamb. Our supermarkets sell NZ lamb and French supermarkets sell English spring lamb.
After brexit, we'll get to eat more Scottish scallops. Yum yum.
 
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I can’t see families waving granny off at the dockside as she sets sail on the banana boat to be cared for by some injuns. The reality is that immigration policy will be flexible and it will adapt to suit workforce demands. That’s always been the intention.
I am pretty sure we'll adapt the policy but at the moment, too much soundbite is given to soothe nerves instead of being realistic about joined up thinking.
There is no practical solution to the long term aging population until we have robots.
 

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I’m not sure that I understand why we would need to transfer our pensioners to the other side of the world.

I agree regarding single occupancy accommodation. Many town centre shops which are now empty are being converted to flats in my area. I think this is a good use of existing property. The days of town centre shopping are over, never to return.
Sounds a great idea. I, ll chose...
 

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That's a bit vague, flesh it out for us...
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Only a touch biased from DM... But you get the point. Interesting comments though, rather a lot of them and pretty much all anti Macron... (Before OG says folk commenting are all DM readers, not quite, there are generally anti DM, pro remain comments)
I do think just as many on here push folk toward Tories, Macron is helping leave rather than remain.
I do suspect another everendum would show bigger majority for leave...???? Think many have seen EU in rather a poorer light recently....
 

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And for those of us without family?
they don't have much of a choice, it's up to their local authorities.
The average family needs to set aside £200k per person at today's cost. If the new policy is applied like it is envisaged, you'll look at 50% cost increase.
 
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I think we can live without scallops
You mostly do, the are fished to be exported. To France...

Ooops Woosh posted first...
 
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