Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Which bit of the GRU got the funding together for this? In line for Order of Saint Andrew the Apostle the First-Called

The chosen one? The new film that claims Trump's election was an act of God

Harriet Sherwood in Lynchburg, Virginia

It was, everyone agreed, a miracle. The unexpected election of Donald Trump in 2016 was an act of God, who chose the philandering billionaire and reality TV star to restore America’s moral values.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/03/the-trump-prophecy-film-god-election-mark-taylor
America is getting like a Pratchett Discworld novel, so I offer a quote that illustrated Trump's likeness to the Patrician well

"'I'm sure no one could call me a despot, your reverence,’ said Lord Vetinari severely.
Hughnon Ridcully made a misjudged attempted to lighten the mood. ‘Not twice at any rate, ahahah."

Works for me! :cool:
 
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From the independent

"Boris Johnson earns £275,000 a year for his weekly column at The Daily Telegraph, the same rate he enjoyed in 2016 when he resigned from the newspaper after his appointment as foreign secretary.

You have to ask what sort of an obscene world allows this menace to society to be overpaid by £274,999 pounds a year.
 
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You have to ask what sort of an obscene world allows this menace to society to be overpaid by £274,999 pounds a year.
that money is not for his wise words but for his influence on tory membership.
BTW, I watched TM's speech. It was well written and confidently delivered. Her best point was about JC robbing 10% of all the big firms, supposedly for their employees but nevertheless, will deter some investors. Don't underestimate the power of these employers. They can influence elections.
She is still hanging in there. The hard brexiters will now wait for the deal before making their next move.
 
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JRM plays the long game. He comes through better than BJ in this interview on Newsnight:

 

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JRM plays the long game. He comes through better than BJ in this interview on Newsnight:

Sorry but he comes over as a complete and rather crude parody of the Goon Show villain Grytpipe-Thynne.
With his imitation "George Sanders" voice and his message
"Have this photograph of a shilling lad and there's more where that came from!"

I've seen him referred to as having the character and panache of
"A haunted pencil"
Just another Coal man's son with pretensions of being an aristocrat.
 
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From the independent

"Boris Johnson earns £275,000 a year for his weekly column at The Daily Telegraph, the same rate he enjoyed in 2016 when he resigned from the newspaper after his appointment as foreign secretary.

You have to ask what sort of an obscene world allows this menace to society to be overpaid by £274,999 pounds a year.
There are those who would argue that far from being worth even £1, the cost to the country of his ego and rant is far far more than even he would ever be paid.
 

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Sorry but he comes over as a complete and rather crude parody of the Goon Show villain Grytpipe-Thynne.
With his imitation "George Sanders" voice and his message
"Have this photograph of a shilling lad and there's more where that came from!"

I've seen him referred to as having the character and panache of
"A haunted pencil"
Just another Coal man's son with pretensions of being an aristocrat.
Unfortunately a lot of 'oldies' really like JRM.
Personally I think he was the fascist with the cigarettes,I dont trust him.
Dont forget he must have made a fortune when the £ plummeted on referendum night...all his wealth is held in US dollars!!!
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A bit of fun today
The Phone rang and the caller announced
This is the HMRC London ringing to tell you there is an arrest warrant against you.
I replied really? Identify yourself, tell me who you are , who you work for and why you really rang me.
The idiot on the other end said either press one to ring your case officer or ring this number
I press one and a voice comes on, gave a name and announced himself as representing HMRC

Right I said, I repeat, who are you, identify yourself properly before I report your call as a scam.
He replied "show more respect to an officer of the crown", I replied " you sound more like an officer of the GRU to me, so I repeat, identify yourself, why have you rung me?"

It seems the call wasn't getting the reaction he wanted so his last words were
"To kick your arse, that's why" and he rang off.

I checked for this scam and got this
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Scam Warning: Phone message threatens HMRC lawsuit | Tax Help ...

www.taxvol.org.uk/scam-warning-phone-message-threatens-hmrc-lawsuit/

There is currently a telephone scam where a recorded message is left, allegedly from HMRC, stating that HMRC are bringing a lawsuit against the individual and ...

This looks like another one getting in on the racket, he forgets that HMRC always confirm identification and the individual's personal Tax account details, and his pretending that an Arrest warrant was involved instantly identified that I was dealing with an idiot.

But how many people of my age have then been gulled into giving bank details and ripped off?
 
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But how many people of my age have then been gulled into giving bank details and ripped off?
Damn you corrected the typo! Yes I saw it. But I really think you should stop thinking about the damned woman, take a break! ;)
 

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Damn you corrected the typo! Yes I saw it. But I really think you should stop thinking about the damned woman, take a break! ;)
I MAY not be pretty, but I'm FAST:cool:
Honestly though if the wife had taken the call she would have been terrified!
I did try to report to the appropriate web site and phone numbers, but Brexit will be here before I get through, so gave it up as a bad job and had a "Beef" on here instead>
 
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Politicians, particularly those pushing for Brexit have an astonishing habit when thwarted of grasping at any straw and portraying it as a victory
The only Red line that they will actually hold to in the end is that the EU can't finger them for their offshore Bank Account swindles, hence this in the Express
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Brexit MIRACLE: Farage, Rees-Mogg and Tusk JOIN SIDES - but will stubborn May play ball?
BRUSSELS today piled new pressure on Theresa May to backtrack from her Chequers Brexit blueprint, by saying that a "Canada plus plus plus" free trade alternative remains on the table..

So they decide to join sides on a deal that was on the table all the way though these negotiations do they?
Why didn't they stick to "Hard Brexit"? and "Cherry picking?"

And really how is any deal better than membership? why are we being forced to accept second best as a country because a flawed referendum now out of date with reality?
Don't mention Ireland........
 
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Great fun in the Daily Mail
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Unit 26165's trail of blunders: How Putin’s elite globe-trotting hacking squad left a trail of clues including a selfie at the Olympics, a pile of beer cans and a TAXI RECEIPT from their spy base to airport

Fascinating!
  1. We are expected to tremble in terror at the evil maschinations of the GRU
  2. We are expected to treat them with scorn as a bunch of amateur bunglers.
Putin must be laughing his head off! his Cyber groups have achieved theit objectives and even managed to confuse the enemy into underestimating them at the same time.

Does anyone fall for this? no doubts there are many GRU groups operating on the principle it doesn't matter if the less capable ones get caught, they spread dismay and confusion, and keep our defences busy, diverting our attention, meanwhile really clever Cyber warfare units maintain a completely invisible covert operation, and quite probably are not members of the GRU but rather an offshoot of the good old KGB (supposedly defunct, and who really believes that?)

"Send in the Clowns" was probably Putin's order to the GRU, so we can cover what the real "pro's" are up to, (for instance use dodgy money invested in useful idiots like Cambridge Analytica to work in Russia's interests by interfering with the EU referendum for example.)

We are being led by the nose by Putin and need to smarten our act up, not dance to his tune
 
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Interesting Article in the Guardian
"https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/oct/05/the-finance-curse-how-the-outsized-power-of-the-city-of-london-makes-britain-poorer

In theory a finance sector should be the engine that stimulates the economy, yet here only 4% of the output goes into industry, the rest into incestuous wealth raising schemes and property, and the wealth doesn't trickle down, rather it hoses up to the Elite. leaving the rest of us poorer.

And through austerity we feed and maintain this beast, paying for it's past errors and swindles, because like a drug addict we have become dependent on the few crumbs it drops our way.
 

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A piece in the Independent underlines the irony of Brexit
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“Left behind” male manual workers are set to be some of the worst hit economically by Brexit, new research has found.

In 2016 Theresa May said that liberalism and globalisation had “left too many people behind”, citing people on “modest to low incomes ... [who] see their jobs being outsourced and wages undercut” and attributed the Brexit result partly to this dissatisfaction.

Polling has also shown that working class and less educated male voters were heavy supporters of leaving the EU.
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But the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) in a new report today estimates that such workers are at “particular risk” from the new barriers to trade that are likely to be introduced after the UK leaves the EU.

The IFS finds that nearly 20 per cent of men with low levels of formal qualifications work in industries that are very highly exposed to such barriers, compared with 15 per cent of highly educated men and 10 per cent of highly educated women.

It rather makes a mockery of the oft made claim of the Brexiteers "We knew what we were voting for!"

Did you indeed? bit of an "own goal" don't you think?
 
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it hoses up to the Elite. leaving the rest of us poorer.
very apt word to describe how banks do not work for us.
I have already complained that too much of our money is spent on servicing mortgage on our lodgings and our brightest and ablest graduates are hosed up by the city every year, same thing happens to our pensions, insurance and savings. They lend that money back to our government. Result:the interest payment alone is more than our education budget.
To break that circle, we need to release land to build 2m-3m small houses in the next a decade.
 

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