Brexit, for once some facts.

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Many voting systems consist of multiple rounds - at the first fence remove the lowest voted option or options, and go to next round.

What happens if you do that here? What do the deal voters do when they are offered the chance to drop out, or choose between no deal and remain? (I assume the don't knows exclude themselves by not voting!)
I suspect everyone will be so fed up they don't bother to vote..
 
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Because here are lots of people who think like you :cool:
And you fall for it every time.
So you are saying you are prepared to dominate a theoretical son of yours to further your personal ambitions?

And if you can't dominate that son you are not fit to be PM?
Congratulations, your attitude has demonstrated you are completely unsuited to be trusted in public office.

Very revealing, and not in a complimentary way
Probably why one of my kids was British champion at chosen sport and other one young musician of year... And both gone on to have successful careers, one in fire service, other training guide dogs. Not bad for a dominating father...
You completely miss point and make personal attacks. Pathetic.
 
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Many voting systems consist of multiple rounds - at the first fence remove the lowest voted option or options, and go to next round.

What happens if you do that here? What do the deal voters do when they are offered the chance to drop out, or choose between no deal and remain? (I assume the don't knows exclude themselves by not voting!)
there is no way that a conservative government can bring home an EFTA deal. You'd need an earthquake for that. So the deal that can be done is very much between Chequers, Canada and no deal. Even a no deal will have to have practical arrangements for food, medicine, energy and transport to be agreed before March 2019.
The largest number of votes (like in the 2016 referendum) shouldn't be enough to win in a 3 way vote, either in a single round or two rounds, because it is still an unfinished business. You need a safe threshold - either 50%+ of a 3 way vote or a clear margin 60/40 if it's a 2 way vote, especially if it is to cancel brexit or rejoin the EU.
 

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And you don't see the irony, hypocrisy and vote losing potential of situation where on one hand we have Albanian immigrants going to gaol for dealing in cannabis and leader of opposition's son selling cannabis paraphernalia.
 
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And if you can't dominate that son you are not fit to be PM?
I suppose zlatan infers that the apples never fall far from the tree. Piers and JC have many things in common as far as political activities are concerned before JC became MP. Anti-establishment and rebellious. However, JC seems to be a little lazier than his older brother. If you continue on this line, Tommy Corbyn's 'National Hemp Service' is a little lazier than his dad's MP and leader of the opposition job.
 
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And you don't see the irony, hypocrisy and vote losing potential of situation where on one hand we have Albanian immigrants going to gaol for dealing in cannabis and leader of opposition's son selling cannabis paraphernalia.
On what basis should he not do whatever he wants so subject only to the same rules as all of us? I seem to remember a former female PM’s son doing lots of things that were deeply questionable.
 
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Weeks or months...

Toyota says no-deal Brexit would stall production at Burnaston

By Sanchia Berg BBC Radio 4 Today programme


Just what would be the cost of Toyota and all the other affected companies spending production for months? UK industrial output could drop by the sort of percentages that dieters could only dream of.
The same for BMW's Mini and Rolls Royce plants in the UK. It's why they are shutting the Mini plant at Oxford for a month on Brexit day since they've no idea if it will get the daily flow of parts from the continent to continue production.
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On what basis should he not do whatever he wants so subject only to the same rules as all of us? I seem to remember a former female PM’s son doing lots of things that were deeply questionable.
A long time after she was PM...
I, m not saying he should or shouldn't do anything I, m saying it loses support for Corbyn, if it didn't DM wouldn't run story.
Are you really saying it doesn't lose votes ?
 
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The same for BMW's Mini and Rolls Royce plants in the UK. It's why they are shutting the Mini plant at Oxford for a month on Brexit day since they've no idea if it will get the daily flow of parts from the continent to continue production.
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If the whole automotive industry closed for a month that would be something like 9 billion of lost production. Yes, that assumes they stop making on 30 March and resume exactly where they had left off. Super-naivety.
 
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If the whole automotive industry closed for a month that would be something like 9 billion of lost production. Yes, that assumes they stop making on 30 March and resume exactly where they had left off. Super-naivety.
BMW are using it as their maintenance period, in lieu of that happening later in the year when there's holidays. In that way they are hoping not to lose too much production overall.
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What? Don’t you remember 1982 and his getting lost issues?
I think Thatcher came to power before 82....Believe it was 79...
There is no way on earth Thatcher would have tolerated a family member losing votes in her campaign... Besides even if she did are you still trying to say Corbyn has not lost millions of votes over things such as this (,his associations etc) It just makes you think Corbyn lives in some idealistic world where things don't detract from your suitability as a PM... You are wrong, he is wrong. Campbell's main job was to steer and influence public perception of Blair. This would never have happened with Campbell running Corbyn 's campaign/image.
Labour are a set of idealistic foolish naive politicians. Folk suggesting these type of things have no affect are the same.
Besides, having a stupid son who gets lost in some dessert trying to be a rally driver hardly compares to a socialist (almost Marxist) having a son who starts a company selling drug tools,hoping to profit from either the needy, drug takers or NHS..Its not a positive image for a future socialist pm. It has lost him votes. Fact. That's exactly why DM ran it.
 
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In reality that's an overall Remain majority.

Don't knows don't vote, retaining the status quo of EU membership.
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if you exclude the don't know, remain only gets 50% of the vote, still won't put the matter to rest.
I think it's better to let people get a taste of what is like to be outside the EU. See how we compare to the Swiss and Norwegians.
 

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There is no way on earth Thatcher would have tolerated a family member losing votes in her campaign...
Complete rubbish. See this from Wikipedia:

"Thatcher caused international embarrassment to his mother. He became lost for six days in the Sahara Desert while competing in the Dakar Rally (see below). His father flew to Dakar, and at the height of the search there were nine aircraft from Algeria, France and the UK involved, in addition to the Algerian land forces. The Prime Minister insisted on paying £2,000 personally towards the cost of the search, and an unpaid 11,500 dinar hotel bill, one third of which was for drinks, caused diplomatic embarrassment.[6] After this incident, there were headlines about possible conflicts of interest between his business interests and his mother's political visits; including the suggestion that he had received millions of pounds in commission in relation to the Al-Yamamah arms deal (see Career section below). Sir Bernard Ingham, the Prime Minister's press secretary, suggested that he could best help the government win the 1987 general election by leaving the country.[7] Margaret Thatcher's biographer, David Cannadine, stated that Mark Thatcher "traded shamelessly on his mother's name" and that he "continued to attract controversy and investigation from the tax authorities", much to his mother's embarrassment."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Thatcher

Tommy Corbyn's legal activity is insignificant in comparison, remember Mark Thatcher was eventually jailed for his criminality.

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I, m saying it loses support for Corbyn, if it didn't DM wouldn't run story.
With initials like J.C., Jeremy Corbyn can't fail, just look at the precedent:

Jesus Christ
Julius Caesar
Jeremy Clarkson
Jean Claude Juncker
Jiminy Cricket
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So what you are actually saying is JC 's behaviour and his sons dealing in illegal drug equipment is not affecting his ratings whatsoever. Utter bo11ox. What Mark Thatcher did or didn't do in 80 s is simply a red herring. Thatcher rose to power in 70's and by mid 80's was already most hated woman in history from a position of power. Not opposition. No wonder Labour is in such a mess.Its littered with naive fools just asking to be made a fool of.
And again just explain why DM should even run story if it has no affect? If it were to have no affect we wouldn't even know about it.
Labour have best chance of getting into power they have had for a generation and what are they doing?Potentially throwing it away with poor management, silly associations, divisive rifts and letting such as Hatton back into the fold. If they aren't careful they will blow it.
 
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So what you are actually saying is JC 's behaviour and his sons dealing in illegal drug equipment is not affecting his ratings whatsoever. Utter bo11ox. What Mark Thatcher did or didn't do in 80 s is simply a red herring. Thatcher rose to power in 70's and by mid 80's was already most hated woman in history from a position of power. Not opposition. No wonder Labour is in such a mess.Its littered with naive fools just asking to be made a fool of.
And again just explain why DM should even run story if it has no affect? If it were to have no affect we wouldn't even know about it.
Further illustration of how your anti-Corbyn and anti-socialist views have completely and grossly distorted your judgment.

Your replies ignoring clear and irrefutable evidence in preference for your private biased opinions are the very definition of bigotry.
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