Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

And all we have achieved by having this obsolete weapon system is to paint a target on ourselves, with no advantage gained over the nations that don't have these pointless weapons
Your approach is ludicrous, we will never use these weapons, and the Russians will never invade us as we have nothing that makes us worth the effort, except perhaps to neutralise the Nuclear weapons the Americans have foisted on us to increase their power.
If Nuclear weapons have prevented war, why is there such a big investment in Conventional Forces?
Because they are the only deterrent viable, that can actually deter anyone,
What possible reason could an enemy have to employ nukes to attack us? could they use and occupy the country afterwards?
Would it be worth having?
No, the only advantage would be eliminating the threat we pose with our nuclear weapons.
So where and what advantage do we have over a nation without Nuclear Weapons?

We simply make a target of out of a nation that otherwise isn't worth invading or attacking otherwise.
All you can come up with is nonsense and propaganda.

Anthrax and Various deadly Toxins for instance have been around longer than that and are equally useless but deadly weapons

And this statement "Totally agree for multi lateral disarmament. " shows just how confused your thinking is, for by the logic you use, that there is a threat from Russia, what logic would there be if that was true, in abandoning the nuclear deterrent when they have an infinitely more powerful military than we could ever possess?
And they could invade us any time they fancy?

The only thing that keeps nuclear weapons popular in the public mind is irrational fear and a complete lack of understanding of our own strategic value in world affairs, where we are simply only worth attacking because we pose a small but significant threat with our pitifully few borrowed weapons of mass destruction.

In your learned opinion. Otherwise rubbish.

 

[oldgroaner]

In your learned opinion. Otherwise rubbish.

Very amusing!

 

[oldgroaner]

And now for something completely weird in the Telegraph
"
Boris Johnson: My plan for a better Brexit

• We should redraw Withdrawal Agreement to prepare ourselves better
• Let's go back to the EU and tell them we are scrapping the Irish backstop
• Right solution is a 'SuperCanada' deal securing best free trade agreement

Here we go again

 

[oldgroaner]

Well I'll be darned!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/polling-companies-crackdown-brexit-referendum-exit-poll-treasury-committee-a8558836.html
Polling companies warned of crackdown after data sold to hedge funds before Brexit referendum
Investors who bet against the pound on the back of exit polls not available to the public netted millions

Missed my chance there didn't I?
I correctly forecast the result, but then since I haven't placed a single bet in my entire life...
I wasn't tempted, and in the process missed out on the one and only chance to make something out of Brexit!

 

[Woosh]

BJ presented his brexit plan yesterday:

"zero tariffs and zero quotas on all imports and exports, mutual recognition agreements covering UK and EU regulations to ensure conformity of goods with each other's standards, technological solutions to keep supply chains operating smoothly and a deal covering goods as well as services."

Would he be brave enough to ask Michel Barnier what the EU thinks of his plan?

 

[oldgroaner]

BJ presented his brexit plan yesterday:

"zero tariffs and zero quotas on all imports and exports, mutual recognition agreements covering UK and EU regulations to ensure conformity of goods with each other's standards, technological solutions to keep supply chains operating smoothly and a deal covering goods as well as services."

Would he be brave enough to ask Michel Barnier what the EU thinks of his plan?

I suspect he's hoping not to have to!

 

[Woosh]

I suspect he's hoping not to have to!

They have the IEA model (DD) and now the BJ model. The ERG will start fighting among themselves next week.
It must come as a comfort to remainers who want a second referendum.

 

[flecc]

A stupid madness which has kept nuclear war at bay for 70 years or more. In our entire history there has never been a weapon devised which has gone unused for such periods. Changing the status quo of that would be inviting its use.

While possibly true, there are still very good reasons why we should not have Trident.

1) We cannot ever use it since a retaliation with just three ICBMs with their ten warheads each would completely destroy all life in Britain for centuries. In other words our country is too geographically small.

2) Of the some 300 main countries in the world, some 290 don't have nuclear weapons but don't feel any need for them since they don't feel at all threatened. Having them makes one a target, not having them is much safer.

3) With the knowledge gained now no major country will ever use them large scale anyway, which with the risk of escalation means they won't even start such a conflict. This is simply because the bomb radiation cannot be contained and everyone suffers worldwide. That is why long ago there was such a panic to stop all atmospheric testing and later even underground testing, the understanding that we were creating worldwide cancer epidemics such as leukemia by such use. No-one is immune and an attacker attacks themselves as well, the world's weather system ensuring that is the case.
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[oyster]

And now for something completely weird in the Telegraph
"
Boris Johnson: My plan for a better Brexit

• We should redraw Withdrawal Agreement to prepare ourselves better
• Let's go back to the EU and tell them we are scrapping the Irish backstop
• Right solution is a 'SuperCanada' deal securing best free trade agreement

Here we go again

My goodness, BJ has said something I can (sort-of) agree with:

“This is the moment to change the course of the negotiations and do justice to the ambitions and potential of Brexit,”

Yes - change course. By cancelling.
Complete failure to acheivce brexit would be justice.

 

[Danidl]

Well it has officially started.. Today i received a letter from my insurance company..(house and car. ) They advise me that They will be petitioning the high court in Scotland, to transfer all my business, and since I am not that special, all the business ,of other Irish Customers, to a new company, to be incorporated within Ireland, by February 2019. . The letter comes with a booklet filled with legal contract information


? reason?... The UK parent company will not be able to transact business post BREXIT..

 

[Woosh]

? reason?... The UK parent company will not be able to transact business post BREXIT..

it has been predicted that tens if not hundreds of millions of insurance contracts may be affected if the UK leave without a deal.

 

[Fingers]

Well it has officially started.. Today i received a letter from my insurance company..(house and car. ) They advise me that They will be petitioning the high court in Scotland, to transfer all my business, and since I am not that special, all the business ,of other Irish Customers, to a new company, to be incorporated within Ireland, by February 2019. . The letter comes with a booklet filled with legal contract information


? reason?... The UK parent company will not be able to transact business post BREXIT..

Well that makes sense surely? Domicile the business in the place where the business is conducted.

Where will the profits go? And where will the tax go?

I'm guessing they will end up in the same place as now. Offshore.

 

[Danidl]

Well that makes sense surely? Domicile the business in the place where the business is conducted.

Where will the profits go? And where will the tax go?

I'm guessing they will end up in the same place as now. Offshore.

The point, is that either there will be less business transactions in the UK, with a reduction in employment, or they will be replicating work with added costs. Now as has been stated many times on this forum, financial services is was one of the" aces in the hole " of the UK system, and if tens of thousands of contracts are moving out, from this one company, ,from what is one of the smaller EU markets, where does that leave the bigger contracts and the bigger markets?.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well that makes sense surely? Domicile the business in the place where the business is conducted.

Where will the profits go? And where will the tax go?

I'm guessing they will end up in the same place as now. Offshore.

I think that is more of a prediction than a guess!

But it will lead to closures of businesses and job losses here of course., but then that's what the leavers voted for "Will of the people" and all that, and they knew what they were voting for didn't they?

 

[oldgroaner]

My goodness, BJ has said something I can (sort-of) agree with:

“This is the moment to change the course of the negotiations and do justice to the ambitions and potential of Brexit,”

Yes - change course. By cancelling.
Complete failure to acheivce brexit would be justice.

You have to admire the magnitude of this man's stupidity in imagining that the Brexit Voters actually want the same things he does!
Can he really be that stupid?
Don't answer that, it was only a rhetorical question..

 

[oldgroaner]

The Daily Mirror doesn't rate Johnsons proposal
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/everything-wrong-boris-johnsons-brexit-13325389

The man should be told to go away and be a nuisance somewhere appropriate, like the South Pole.

 

[oyster]

The Daily Mirror doesn't rate Johnsons proposal
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/everything-wrong-boris-johnsons-brexit-13325389

The man should be told to go away and be a nuisance somewhere appropriate, like the South Pole.

And Guardian says:

Boris Johnson's 'super Canada' alternative Brexit plan rubbished
Ministers claim Johnson’s plan, including reneging on Irish border agreements, are not workable or negotiable

Of course, nobody thinks a pile of refuse needs to be rubbished.

 

[oyster]

The Daily Mirror doesn't rate Johnsons proposal
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/everything-wrong-boris-johnsons-brexit-13325389

The man should be told to go away and be a nuisance somewhere appropriate, like the South Pole.

Why have you got it in got penguins?

 

[flecc]

Why have you got it in for penguins?

Horrible birds, they advertise British Gas.
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[oldgroaner]

Why have you got it in got penguins?

Flecc beat me to it!!!