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Probably why one of my kids was British champion at chosen sport and other one young musician of year... And both gone on to have successful careers, one in fire service, other training guide dogs. Not bad for a dominating father...
You completely miss point and make personal attacks. Pathetic.
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No Zlatan, it was you making personal attacks on Corbyn and you, not I expressed an intent to dominate a child, when if fact you now state you are not a "Dominating Father" so why then did you pretend you would be?
Are you retracting this statement?

"If I were running for PM no son of mine would be starting a cannabis paraphernalia business for media to get hold of. If he can't stop his son doing this should he be PM... Well said OG.. Didn't think of that."

My remarks were not an attack, simply pointing out what the attitude expressed in your statement would mark you out as, and make you unfit for public office.
So now you are admitting your statement was a lie?
Fair enough.
 
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So what you are actually saying is JC 's behaviour and his sons dealing in illegal drug equipment is not affecting his ratings whatsoever. Utter bo11ox. What Mark Thatcher did or didn't do in 80 s is simply a red herring. Thatcher rose to power in 70's and by mid 80's was already most hated woman in history from a position of power. Not opposition. No wonder Labour is in such a mess.Its littered with naive fools just asking to be made a fool of.
And again just explain why DM should even run story if it has no affect? If it were to have no affect we wouldn't even know about it.
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Was this intended for anyone's attention?
 
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oldgroaner said:
No Zlatan, it was you making personal attacks on Corbyn and you, not I expressed an intent to dominate a child, when if fact you now state you are not a "Dominating Father" so why then did you pretend you would be?
Are you retracting this statement?

"If I were running for PM no son of mine would be starting a cannabis paraphernalia business for media to get hold of. If he can't stop his son doing this should he be PM... Well said OG.. Didn't think of that."

My remarks were not an attack, simply pointing out what the attitude expressed in your statement would mark you out as, and make you unfit for public office.
So now you are admitting your statemnent was a lie?
Fair enough.
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No not at all. You are being naive.And I am not making any such thing on Corbyn. He is making massive blunders which such as DM seize on, costing him loads of support at a time Labour has its best chance for power it has had for a decade or more . Simply saying its the DM right wing propaganda, or excusing it is completely missing the issue. Corbyn is not going to simply walk into No 10. He must say and do the right things to not alienate a country looking for reasons not to elect an essentially extreme left Labour government. He is playing into Tory hands at moment. Wait until election campaign gets going , there will be a feeding frenzy of all the "mistakes" and associations Corbyn has made. He walks into it.
 
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So what you are actually saying is JC 's behaviour and his sons dealing in illegal drug equipment is not affecting his ratings whatsoever. Utter bo11ox. What Mark Thatcher did or didn't do in 80 s is simply a red herring. Thatcher rose to power in 70's and by mid 80's was already most hated woman in history from a position of power. Not opposition. No wonder Labour is in such a mess.Its littered with naive fools just asking to be made a fool of.
And again just explain why DM should even run story if it has no affect? If it were to have no affect we wouldn't even know about it.
Labour have best chance of getting into power they have had for a generation and what are they doing?Potentially throwing it away with poor management, silly associations, divisive rifts and letting such as Hatton back into the fold. If they aren't careful they will blow it.
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Because they haven't any better material to aim at the mentally challenged?
And it's a slow news day?
 
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No not at all. You are being naive.
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Not so, you tie yourself up with conflicting statements, once again.
And are forgetting, I really don't give a Tinkers Cuss about Corbyn's rating and much prefer that he avoids getting elected to power.
If they can put voters off with this sort of nonsense.so much the better.
Now is most definitely not the time to be in no 10

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oldgroaner said:
I really don't give a Tinkers Cuss about Corbyn's rating and much prefer that he avoids getting elected to power.
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be careful what you wish for.
If JC is not PM, BJ, JRM or Gove will.
 
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Woosh said:
be careful what you wish for.
If JC is not PM, BJ, JRM or Gove will.
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That's exactly the problem we face. Either end of political spectrum. One end commiting political suicide and other similar politics to Ghenkis Khan.
Not much of a choice is it. JRM or Corbyn. Country will keep May.
 
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Woosh said:
be careful what you wish for.
If JC is not PM, BJ, JRM or Gove will.
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Even better, it speeds up the timescale of disaster and delivers the educational experience more painfully and directly to the voters, rather than feeding it to them in dribs and drabs that are easily excused by the press.
 
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That's exactly the problem we face. Either end of political spectrum. One end commiting political suicide and other similar politics to Ghenkis Khan.
Not much of a choice is it. JRM or Corbyn. Country will keep May.
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I do hope they do then the "Glory" is all hers...:cool:
 
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No not at all. You are being naive.And I am not making any such thing on Corbyn. He is making massive blunders which such as DM seize on, costing him loads of support at a time Labour has its best chance for power it has had for a decade or more . Simply saying its the DM right wing propaganda, or excusing it is completely missing the issue. Corbyn is not going to simply walk into No 10. He must say and do the right things to not alienate a country looking for reasons not to elect an essentially extreme left Labour government. He is playing into Tory hands at moment. Wait until election campaign gets going , there will be a feeding frenzy of all the "mistakes" and associations Corbyn has made. He walks into it.
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This is getting repetitive... I don't want him in no 10, this is the worst possible time, he would win a battle and lose the war doing that, assuming of course he is even on the right side.
 
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This is getting repetitive... I don't want him in no 10, this is the worst possible time, he would win a battle and lose the war doing that, assuming of course he is even on the right side.
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I believe in the capitalist system but I think JC would get the right brexit to unite the country. In any case, the conservatives can't.
 
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oldgroaner said:
This is getting repetitive... I don't want him in no 10, this is the worst possible time, he would win a battle and lose the war doing that, assuming of course he is even on the right side.
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No , I don't want him in no 10 either but I want a Labour to stand a fighting chance of getting in there. A moderate , fiscal aware Labour government. Not this shambles of loony left group masquerading as opposition. Corbyn has set Labour movement back 30 years.
His route to power is as OG says. Just hang around saying and doing anything until Tories collapse. How long will Labour last if that works.??
 
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Zlatan said:
I am not making any such thing on Corbyn. He is making massive blunders which such as DM seize on, costing him loads of support at a time Labour has its best chance for power it has had for a decade or more .
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Once again, no it's not costing Labour any votes. Labour voters don't read the Daily Mail.

The reason the Mail runs these stories is not to cost Labour votes since they know they don't reach Labour voters. It's to reinforce their Tory readers since they know reading only a Daily Mail diet of news breeds the complacency that prompts people not to vote, thinking they'll win anyway. They've lost elections that way before and don't want a repeat, so they sensibly keep up the propaganda pressure.
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Zlatan said:
I think Thatcher came to power before 82....Believe it was 79...
There is no way on earth Thatcher would have tolerated a family member losing votes in her campaign...
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Just because she first became PM in 1979 doesn't mean that Mark's behaviour had no impact on subsequent campaigns, does it?

It is possible that his behaviour after she had ceased to be PM was more despicable but that is a matter of opinion.
 
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Labour needs Daily Mail readers, they are all votes. Besides 15% of DM readers already vote Labour. (Source YouGov)
 
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oyster said:
Just because she first became PM in 1979 doesn't mean that Mark's behaviour had no impact on subsequent campaigns, does it?

It is possible that his behaviour after she had ceased to be PM was more despicable but that is a matter of opinion.
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So that's agreeing with me. Yes, his behaviour probably did hinder her popularity. I remember seeing her more distraught when he was lost than she, d been over Falklands.
Of course it will influence voters.
 
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Zlatan said:
So what you are actually saying is JC 's behaviour and his sons dealing in illegal drug equipment is not affecting his ratings whatsoever.
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It might affect his (JC's) ratings, but my earlier question was this: On what basis should he not do whatever he wants to subject only to the same rules as all of us?

Don't think there was an answer.
 
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