Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Anchor butter is made in Wiltshire

Apparently the Wiltshire production for New Zealand company Anchor is by Arla, a Swedish-Danish company who also own Lurpak and Cravendale.

So just like with car manufacture and so much else in the UK, owned by foreign companies and the profits exported.
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[Fingers]

Just scanned Waitrose's cheeses - non-EU products seem very limited:
Norwegian Jarlsberg!
Philadelphia (couldn't actually see where it comes from)
Swiss Emmentaler

Even their Monterey Jack is an EU product!

This could be bad news for European Dairy farmers. I hope for their sake Juncker has a dy off the red wine and gets his act together.

 

[oyster]

Apparently the Wiltshire production for New Zealand company Anchor is by Arla, a Swedish-Danish company who also own Lurpak and Cravendale.

And Skyr Icelandic "cultured dairy product".

 

[Fingers]

Apparently the Wiltshire production for New Zealand company Anchor is by Arla, a Swedish-Danish company who also own Lurpak and Cravendale.

So just like with cars and so much else in the UK, owned by foreign companies and the profits exported.
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Yes I know. Its no secret.

Marmite is owned by unilever I belive, Coleman mustard too.

It's sad that so many household brands are owned by so few multinationals. Another reason the arch Capitilist federation needs reigning in.

People think buying items by a separate company say like Mr Muscle or Flash is making a choice. It isn't. It's not perculiar to the UK though. It's worldwide. It does give us the opportunity to fix our own rates though and not be tied down by an Italian behemouth Ferrer Roche for example.

 

[flecc]

It's not perculiar to the UK though. It's worldwide.

But I doubt there's any other country where foreign ownership is remotely so complete. We own virtually nothing of any real consequence thanks to the four decade policy of selling the family silver instituted by Margaret Thatcher.

And what little we do earn for the UK is quickly stashed in overseas tax havens to avoid it making a contribution to the British people.

In an increasingly tangible sense there is no UK to leave the EU, it's just some 65 million individuals leaving with few possessions. That makes them refugees.
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[Danidl]

This could be bad news for European Dairy farmers. I hope for their sake Juncker has a dy off the red wine and gets his act together.

. There are as many as 60 million UK consumers, there are 400 million EU consumers. It lose 10% of ones market is painful and bad news , but not catastrophic. Ask anyone involved in trade... The UK appears to have weathered a 10% currency fluctuation and while people are gripeing.. like the taxi driver I met in Swansea who bemoaned his lack of purchasing power in Spain.

 

[oldgroaner]

This could be bad news for European Dairy farmers. I hope for their sake Juncker has a dy off the red wine and gets his act together.

You seem to be missing the essential point: prices here will rise, why should the EU suppliers care about that?
They have a huge number of other Markets they can quickly sell anything that fails to sell here, which is more than can be said for us.
And what has that to do with Juncker personally? have you got some sort of fetish about this character?

The people you should be pointing the finger at to get their act together are here in this country, not over the channel.

 

[Fingers]

. There are as many as 60 million UK consumers, there are 400 million EU consumers. It lose 10% of ones market is painful and bad news , but not catastrophic. Ask anyone involved in trade... The UK appears to have weathered a 10% currency fluctuation and while people are gripeing.. like the taxi driver I met in Swansea who bemoaned his lack of purchasing power in Spain.

Except those 60 million consumers have a higher profit yiled than the majority of the 400 million consumers. We have a higher purchase power because our economy is so big.

Taken overall 400 million is a lot but break it down into countries and regions and you can see why our 60 million consumers are more important to some others.

I know its difficult for a lot of you guys to see anything worthwhile in UK but we are actually a very strong economy with lots going for us.

It must be horrible living a country you hate.

 

[Fingers]

You seem to be missing the essential point: prices here will rise, why should the EU suppliers care about that?
They have a huge number of other Markets they can quickly sell anything that fails to sell here, which is more than can be said for us.
And what has that to do with Juncker personally? have you got some sort of fetish about this character?

The people you should be pointing the finger at to get their act together are here in this country, not over the channel.

I haven't got a 'fetish' for him. I just don't rate him. He is dodgy as hell and grossly incompetent.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-time-of-jean-claude-juncker-troubles-european-commission-president-investment-plan-travel-meetings-scheduled/

Anyway we won't have to deal with him for much longer. So its a win win n'est pas?

 

[Woosh]

I am a little surprised that nobody has mentioned this fabulous picture of the hard men of brexit:

QUOTE:

Boris, Rees-Mogg and Bone are the Boggis, Bunce and Bean of Brexit, apparently as defeated in their cunning scheme as the characters in the Roald Dahl tale: all that’s missing is the Fantastic Dr Fox.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/12/brexit-great-why-boris-johnson-jacob-rees-mogg-peter-bone-sad

 

[oldgroaner]

Except those 60 million consumers have a higher profit yiled than the majority of the 400 million consumers. We have a higher purchase power because our economy is so big.

Taken overall 400 million is a lot but break it down into countries and regions and you can see why our 60 million consumers are more important.

I know its difficult for a lot of you guys to see anything worthwhile in UK but we are actually a very strong economy with lots going for us.

It must be horrible living a country you hate.

Do you make this stuff up all on your own?

You support the most damaging sabotage to the nation ever by a voter by supporting Brexit on the basis of propaganda promises and lies, and you have the cheek to post this?

"It must be horrible living a country you hate."

Then leave is the best advice I can give you, as your staying will only cause more harm, and you have done enough already.

Lets look at what you managed to do

1. Damaged the economy on a whim
2. Put you faith for the future in the hands of the biggest set of fools ever to infest Westminster
3. Have nothing to offer as a positive to support Brexit being a good idea
4. Resorted to claiming that the people who are against this act of stupid sabotage hate their country?

I'll tell you what is horrible, how little the reality of the present situation gets past the Bigotry of Brexit voters, especially if they do as you just have and make stupid remarks that somehow equate opposition to Brexit to hatred of this country.
It certainly wasn't those who voted to remain that brought about the present problems was it?

 

[oldgroaner]

I haven't got a 'fetish' for him. I just don't rate him. He is dodgy as hell and grossly incompetent.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-time-of-jean-claude-juncker-troubles-european-commission-president-investment-plan-travel-meetings-scheduled/

Anyway we won't have to deal with him for much longer. So its a win win n'est pas?

What makes him different from the clowns who front the Brexit campaign?

 

[flecc]

but we are actually a very strong economy with lots going for us.

It must be horrible living a country you hate.

Strong through our EU membership of 44 years. What we fear is returning to the UK isolation of before and its disastrous economy that ended with the IMF rescuing us from bankruptcy.

Too many forget that or are too young to remember it.

I don't hate the country I live in, but I do hate the political and management incompetence of its establishment elite who have a self serving stranglehold on the country.
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[Fingers]

Do you make this stuff up all on your own?

You support the most damaging sabotage to the nation ever by a voter by supporting Brexit on the basis of propaganda promises and lies, and you have the cheek to post this?

"It must be horrible living a country you hate."

Then leave is the best advice I can give you, as your staying will only cause more harm, and you have done enough already.

Lets look at what you managed to do

1. Damaged the economy on a whim
2. Put you faith for the future in the hands of the biggest set of fools ever to infest Westminster
3. Have nothing to offer as a positive to support Brexit being a good idea
4. Resorted to claiming that the people who are against this act of stupid sabotage hate their country?

I'll tell you what is horrible, how little the reality of the present situation gets past the Bigotry of Brexit voters, especially if they do as you just have and make stupid remarks that somehow equate opposition to Brexit to hatred of this country.
It certainly wasn't those who voted to remain that brought about the present problems was it?

I'm not going anywhere matey. I voted to leave the EU not the UK.

The thing is though, had remain won I wouldn't be whining like a little girl. I'd just move on and accept it.

Everything you have just written comes across as very bitter. I do think Brexit will take years off you but not because it will be a bad thing but because you cannot accept living in a country where the democratic free will is different to yours.

'Sabotage, bigotry, stupid, horrible.' Jesus wept.

Melodramatic much? I love how you are projecting all your fears onto me. It's because you live in an echo chamber.

Guess what? People have different views to you. I think you need to accept this or you really are going to do yourself a mischief.

 

[Fingers]

Strong through our EU membership of 44 years. What we fear is returning to the UK isolation of before and its disastrous economy that ended with the IMF rescuing us from bankruptcy.

Too many forget that or are too young to remember it.

I don't hate the country I live in, but I do hate the political and management incompetence of its establishment elite who have a self serving stranglehold on the country.
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I genuinely hate the Tories but I do think its a positive thing we are leaving the EU.

Time as all bad jornalists say will tell.

 

[flecc]

The Home Office have just advertised for an IT person to head up their Brexit IT implementation.

It's caused a storm of criticism for being far to late, the view being that it should have happened two years ago or at least as the Brexit department was formed.

There's so little time left before leaving and the task so immense that it's felt that whoever gets the job will need to have magical powers.

To make matters very much worse, they are only offering a salary of £100,000, not remotely enough to get a top person.
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[flecc]

I genuinely hate the Tories but I do think its a positive thing we are leaving the EU.

Time as all bad jornalists say will tell.

But what chance is there of them being any better than pre-1972?

Just look at this example and the UK conduct of Brexit negotiations. Is it any wonder we have no faith?
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[oldtom]

What makes him different from the clowns who front the Brexit campaign?

Oh, I can't wait to hear the answer to that one!

Tom

 

[oldtom]

I'm not going anywhere matey. I voted to leave the EU not the UK.

What a shame!

Tom

 

[flecc]

Jesus wept.

Surely not?

Even he couldn't have forecast the referendum outcome.
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