Brexit, for once some facts.
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The leading members in the political wing of the self-serving fascist elite of British society, pushing hard to drag the UK into international solitude or worse, as the adopted 51st state of America, have once again demonstrated how unfit they are for government. 'Brexit' for them is purely about furthering all their dreams of personal, untaxed wealth expansion at the expense of the 'have-nots'.
The mainstream media can be relied upon only to publish tory propaganda as their interest is purely in ensuring the maintenance and further development of the status quo - a two tier society of which they are part, owned by members of the elite establishment.
James O'Brien, the broadcaster, speaks out on another episode of deliberate lying by a government minister......and one or two other nasty people:
Tom
The mainstream media can be relied upon only to publish tory propaganda as their interest is purely in ensuring the maintenance and further development of the status quo - a two tier society of which they are part, owned by members of the elite establishment.
James O'Brien, the broadcaster, speaks out on another episode of deliberate lying by a government minister......and one or two other nasty people:
Tom
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can we call off this sort of 'debate'?
I thought we agree to disagree sometime ago.
What is rather worrying is the Government seeming keen on taking military action in Syria in support of Trump.
We really do not need another war.
The Russians have already been inflamed by TM and now she wants to do this?
How can escalating an existing war make anything better?
And taking on possibly the second, (maybe even the first) greatest military force on the planet with the tattered and bankrupt remains of our undoubtedly brave, determined and Patriotic forces is simply a criminal act against them.
History repeats itself they say, poor old Father went to France as a Sergeant Major in the East Yorkshire Regiment, with BEF and what was he armed with? a Sergeant Major's Baton, and his Revolver Case filled with toffees, to face the most efficient and best armed enemy on the planet.
I can imagine his reaction to this news if he was alive today.
We really do not need another war.
The Russians have already been inflamed by TM and now she wants to do this?
How can escalating an existing war make anything better?
And taking on possibly the second, (maybe even the first) greatest military force on the planet with the tattered and bankrupt remains of our undoubtedly brave, determined and Patriotic forces is simply a criminal act against them.
History repeats itself they say, poor old Father went to France as a Sergeant Major in the East Yorkshire Regiment, with BEF and what was he armed with? a Sergeant Major's Baton, and his Revolver Case filled with toffees, to face the most efficient and best armed enemy on the planet.
I can imagine his reaction to this news if he was alive today.
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increased hostilities mean the DoD gets more money.
I bet Gavin Williamson wants it.
Have we enough resources to buy an Army, Navy and Air Force capable of taking on the Russians?
Or are we hoping for an EU grant to do so?
Mr Trump expects France to join.
I expect Germany to stay away.
It's an American strategy to contain Russia at the end of the day. As I said all along, the best thing for peace in Europe is for Russia to join the EU.
But that's already failed, their NATO encirclement of Russia's part frozen west is a busted flush, since Russia has effectively burst out in a far more valuable direction, the south. The Med, Southern Europe, the Middle East and Africa all in prospect for direct access by land and sea, with at least two allies to assist.
Some containment.
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Interesting development and a very brave chap..
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Kathrin Hille in Moscow
April 9, 2018
A key member of the Soviet research team that developed the nerve agent the UK claimed was used to poison the former double agent Sergei Skripal has sided with the British government in its dispute with Moscow.
Vladimir Uglev said he was convinced Mr Skripal and his daughter Yulia had been attacked in the English city of Salisbury with a compound he had developed in 1975. However, he cautioned it would be impossible to prove beyond doubt where the nerve agent had originated."
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Kathrin Hille in Moscow
April 9, 2018
A key member of the Soviet research team that developed the nerve agent the UK claimed was used to poison the former double agent Sergei Skripal has sided with the British government in its dispute with Moscow.
Vladimir Uglev said he was convinced Mr Skripal and his daughter Yulia had been attacked in the English city of Salisbury with a compound he had developed in 1975. However, he cautioned it would be impossible to prove beyond doubt where the nerve agent had originated."
Utter nonsense! How can he be "convinced" when he's had no access to the material from Salisbury or know what actually happened. Even we don't know what happened yet, the police are still trying to find out.
He's obviously suffering from an attack of gut feeling, and possibly fancying a bit of publicity.
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All on his own?
My wasn't he a clever chap,odd that he claimed personal credit, not helped to develop the compound
"Vladimir Uglev said he was convinced Mr Skripal and his daughter Yulia had been attacked in the English city of Salisbury with a compound he had developed in 1975."
Did he actually name the compound?
No
"He cautioned it would be impossible to prove beyond doubt where the nerve agent had originated"
And of course by whom, as in
"The victim was killed by a Gunshot, it can only have been Vladimir Putin"
Did he blame anyone?
No
If he worked in Porton Down and made such an allegation he would be in jail right now, do you imagine Russia doesn't have an equivalent of the "Official Secrets Act?"
And that it applies lifelong as ours does?
Nothing new here, just an obvious attempt to ressurect a now dead story
Now ask yourself if Putin is the ogre he is painted out to be, who in their right mind would make such a claim?
Real name? Not likely if his location is Russia, for how would he gain from this revelation?
Come on Zlatan, engage in thinking before swallowing porkies like this one.
..or equally obviously he has been following the story, has become aware of the treatment, knows its effects and has spoken out. Or he has been advised to do so by his superiors... Note that this is a very logical position, he can preemptively defuse any finding by the international laboratories, by accepting that it is a variant, but not accepting where it was manufactured. By accepting the first, he strengthens his credibility for the second and more crucial element. If you want to tell a lie, mix it with credible truth....it always worked for me.... Don't say the dog ate my homework, when you don't have a dog...
Our problem is that we blame the dog saying it did it's homework wrong!
Then Boris claimed the Dog lied to him!
Mr Uglev has gone a little further in his comments today..
"As a Russian citizen, I do not accept the great-power chauvinism fanned by the regime of Kremlin-Lubyanka thieves and killers, and therefore fully understand and support the policy of the British government towards Russia,” Mr Uglev said
Full report in The Times.. apparently he,s emailed them from his holiday home on the Black Sea !? He must have a death wish ??
He,s not much time for Putin, I,ll bet Putin might find some for him ? Or WTF is going on ?
"As a Russian citizen, I do not accept the great-power chauvinism fanned by the regime of Kremlin-Lubyanka thieves and killers, and therefore fully understand and support the policy of the British government towards Russia,” Mr Uglev said
Full report in The Times.. apparently he,s emailed them from his holiday home on the Black Sea !? He must have a death wish ??
He,s not much time for Putin, I,ll bet Putin might find some for him ? Or WTF is going on ?
If some elderly Russian chemist/scientist or whatever is speaking out against Putin and/or the Russian regime, my guess is that he has a terminal illness and hasn't long to live. If he doesn't have such an illness, then I fear he very soon will have one!
Tom
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