if by incident, you mean the current international incident involving 30 countries then I think if BJ and TM had waited a few more days, Yulia Skripal could have helped TM to get her ducks in a row before firing on the Russian government.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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That is completely different to suggesting she engineered the incident.
Without the poisoning and the quite highly likely involvement of Russia there would be nothing for May to benefit from or as case may be, damaged by.
Infact, its easier to argue the left are arguing to support Putin in order to damage May, which will prove far more damaging. The left are more guilty than May is for trying to damage her with it. They would rather May fall than accept the truth. It suits their cause.
There are posters on here making stronger argument for Russia than Russia managed itself. Lets face it, 2 explanations from Russian sources are utterly ridiculous.( One suggesting they ate bad fish, the other saying poisoning never happened)
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I don't think TM engineered that as such.
If BJ hadn't shot his mouth by doing that stupid interview with the German journalist, he would not have put the government in such a tricky position.
Retracting what BJ said on TV was not possible before Yulia Skripal woke up.
"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43909/the-hunting-of-the-snark
Agreed. BJ is a loud mouthed fool but that neither makes Russia more innocent or May guilty.
She is trying to cope with an extremely difficult situation, the likes of us can only start to imagine the difficulty of. Folk bandying about phrases like she engineered situation is simply trying to score political points. We lose sight of the real criminal. Its not May, its the person,persons or organisation that administered the poison.
there is still no proof that it was a political assassination. The Skripals have not said who wanted them dead.
And ofcourse they are likely to with family back in Russia. Exactly why do you think the cousin is blaming " bad fish"? We insist on putting our own values and circumstances on everyone. Russia is different to here.
A returning diplomat was asked by a journalist." Russia has been described as a Mafia state, what do you think?"
His reply
"Well, that is not really fair. On the Mafia that is."
"The Jury had each formed a different view
(Long before the indictment was read),
And they all spoke at once, so that none of them knew
One word that the others had said."
How appropriate.
Its about all I can remember from The Stark.
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I think the Skripals know if it was an accident or who wanted them dead.
Until they decide to speak up for themselves, I think our government had better to try to defuse the situation but no, BJ continues accusing the Russian government. He may know something I don't but I suspect he just wants to be sacked.
An accident ? How's that work ? I accidently poisoned myself with nerve agent/ novichok ? Not an everyday accident that one .
I also doubt we will ever be privvy to what has been said. They might have been awake 2 weeks now.
there is no definite identification of the poison. We'll know more in a few days when the OPCW publish their report. If the OPCW cannot find any known chemical weapon in their blood then the possibility of accidental poisoning is increased.
Sorry I disagree May abused the Power invested in her by the Public in not behaving properly in her precipitate response.
There was no response on previous occasions,so why now?
Because her reputation was in tatters and this was a "Get out of jail free" card.
Her motives were superficial and the consequences not measured
It was done without thought to the cost of such an action to us.
She is not in a position where such stupidity for personal advantage is excusable.
She and Boris should seek to come to some accommodation with Russia before things get even worse.
Have you not considered the possibility that the mysterious package we have heard about was delivered to him for him to use on someone else?
Or contained drugs?
Look at what the man was and what he did before, not exactly paragon of virtue.
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There will be hell to pay if that happens!
Imagine having to say to Putin, "Sorry old Chap,it was food poisoning,or even worse, they took Fentanyl?"
And what if Russia is guilty and May /. BJ have acquiesced?
On the " accident".
He accidently administered a poison to himself and his daughter and walked calmy for lunch and to sit on a park bench...nice one OG.
Then how do explain that a couple were found in the same condition on a bench in the same shopping precinct after taking fentanol.on the same day?
You notion is nonsense as usual Nice one indeed Zlatan
You need to drop this Putin hate campaign and look for answers instead
Woosh/ OG
You both keep insisting Novichok has not been identified.
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Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal
On 4 March 2018, former Russian military intelligence officer and British spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia Skripal were poisoned in Salisbury, England, with a Novichok nerve agent, according to official UK sources. Wikipedia"
All lies I suppose. ???
You both keep insisting Novichok has not been identified.
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Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal
On 4 March 2018, former Russian military intelligence officer and British spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia Skripal were poisoned in Salisbury, England, with a Novichok nerve agent, according to official UK sources. Wikipedia"
All lies I suppose. ???
Very Droll, you might as well have substituted Boris Johnson for Wikipedia.
zlatan, you need to take the word of the director of Porton Down literally. He said 'of the type' after a reportedly difficult meeting with Downing Street people. I read it as political convenience, they don't know what it is exactly.
(or if they do know exactly what it is, they can't say it because it would not do us any favour).
You have to agree Zlatan that May is s serial cock-up. She was a complete disaster as Home Secretary, cutting police forces to the point that they can no longer function, curbing stop and search powers with the results we are now seeing in London, slashing border force resources with the obvious results. She even called it wrong on her stand regarding Brexit, initially backing remain and then hastily switching to leave when circumstances changed. She got the general election wrong, she’s got the Brexit negotiation wrong, underestimating the EU, and now she’s got the Russian poisoning scandal wrong. These are just the edited highlights, even the briefest of scrutiny shows that everything, literally everything, she touches goes wrong. As if all of this isn’t bad enough, she displays a grotesque stubbornness by pretending she is always right.
I don’t think it is unfair or over dramatic to say that Theresa May’s incompetence is the biggest threat that this country has faced in a very long time. She is in the process of causing huge amounts of irreparable damage via botched Brexit negotiations, and like it or not, Russia can hurt the U.K. and May is taking us along a path where they very well might do so.
I am no conspiracy theorist, but I am convinced she thought the Salisbury poisoning would be a “blame the Russians and quickly move on” Brexit diversion tactic. But as I have show above, yet again she mis-judged the situation, as she has done on so many other occasions. There is a clear pattern to her behaviour which dovetails perfectly with how the poisoning situation has been exploited. It’s highly dangerous.
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