Brexit, for once some facts.
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My thoughts exactly. The government are hiding this pair and isolating them from their family. I think the entire poisoning issue has been a disaster and they totally miscalculated how the situation would play out. The are on the brink of it blowing up in their faces and desperately trying to rub out anything that will lead back to their lies and deceit.
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Well there was the phone call from Syria, a mysterious package, and two individuals nobody can trace, what more fake evidence can you ask for?
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I thought 'i would read the original newspaper article in the Daily Mail
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Emergency services initially believed Mr Skripal and his daughter had taken fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that is up to 100 times more potent than herion that has caused thousands of deaths among drug addicts worldwide."
Why? because
Passers by and paramedics assumed the duo were high on fentanyl, a super strength painkiller causing thousands of deaths among drug addicts, but this was later linked to an unconnected incident involving another couple in the shopping centre.
On the same day?
A tiny dose of the synthetic opioid, which can be purchased online via the dark web, would prove fatal.
Then there are some missing people that lived in the house with him
'He lived there with his Russian son and his son's partner,' said Blake Stephens, a 24-year-old neighbour.
There were always people coming and going, there was definitely a younger boy living there, but I really didn't pay that much attention, you don't until something like this happens. It's crazy nothing ever happens here, it is always so quiet.'
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Emergency services initially believed Mr Skripal and his daughter had taken fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that is up to 100 times more potent than herion that has caused thousands of deaths among drug addicts worldwide."
Why? because
Passers by and paramedics assumed the duo were high on fentanyl, a super strength painkiller causing thousands of deaths among drug addicts, but this was later linked to an unconnected incident involving another couple in the shopping centre.
On the same day?
A tiny dose of the synthetic opioid, which can be purchased online via the dark web, would prove fatal.
Then there are some missing people that lived in the house with him
'He lived there with his Russian son and his son's partner,' said Blake Stephens, a 24-year-old neighbour.
There were always people coming and going, there was definitely a younger boy living there, but I really didn't pay that much attention, you don't until something like this happens. It's crazy nothing ever happens here, it is always so quiet.'
Curiouser and curiouser!.......oh, hang on - that was in Wonderland, wasn't it?
We, of course, live in the real world where everything can be explained.
Tom
Well I think with May being bored , not having enough to do with tiny details like Brexit, she asked her hubby to get G4 to smear some poison on that horid little mans door knob, then she could risk going to war by blaming those pesky Russians,she thought even if Putin nukes the lot of us, she,d be remembered like Thatcher...well sort of ...The woman who stood up to Russia.
G4 being G4 tho they got DHL to do it and as bloke was not in when poison delivered van driver gave it his daughter instead.
Its all on DHL records but MI 6 have destroyed them for May, just as a favour..
May is a pit p!!ssed off Porton Down went and found a bloody antidote...its all a mess now.
She,s wants them.in witness protection, the same one Dr Kelly had...that should help...
You cant trust G4 to deliver prisoners let alone a couple of micrograms of poison hubby brewed up in back room of No 10..
Or then again it might just be the Russians.
Our lot couldn't organise this without every one in country knowing..
G4 being G4 tho they got DHL to do it and as bloke was not in when poison delivered van driver gave it his daughter instead.
Its all on DHL records but MI 6 have destroyed them for May, just as a favour..
May is a pit p!!ssed off Porton Down went and found a bloody antidote...its all a mess now.
She,s wants them.in witness protection, the same one Dr Kelly had...that should help...
You cant trust G4 to deliver prisoners let alone a couple of micrograms of poison hubby brewed up in back room of No 10..
Or then again it might just be the Russians.
Our lot couldn't organise this without every one in country knowing..
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Politicians never dirty their hands with personal involvement, they have intelligence services and the like to do that. I've no idea who did it this time, but as Tillson remarked, our government's haste to jump to a conclusion has left them with egg on their face. They've got it wrong and are now desperately trying to wriggle out of the mess they've got themselves in with ever more fantastic stories, supported by the proven persistent liar Boris Johnson.
Instead of being stupid they should let the subject go, remembering Sir Walter Scott's sage observation:
"Oh what a tangled web we weave,
when first we practice to deceive."
Lies ultimately can never succeed, simply because the person clever enough to construct a lie to fit all of the myriad of surrounding truths has yet to be born.
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"They've got it wrong and are now "
You certainly don't know that Flecc.
They "probably" handled it wrong.
Could one of you Russian agents please explain a scenario where this event was carried out by any of our services. ( notice I left out intelligence, which seems pretty normal on here at moment)
Try and keep your explanations almost believable, with perhaps some motives ??
Is anyone really trying to say May approached MI5/6 and asked for this to be done ? Apart from May's ( initial) increase in popularity there is not a single motive for this to have happened.( on UK's part)
Seems quite ironic many folk insist on evidence, proof etc etc but then offer a complete cock and bull story as a supposedly realistic explanation.
The absolutely worst thing May might have done is an attempt to benefit. Suggesting this was somehow organised by " our " agencies is actually bordering on insane.
On the political parties...lets hope Simon Franks gets plenty of support and he can do a Macron..said it about a dozen times now but country is crying out for a moderate centralist party. Its hardly a democracy when you are offered only cranky ends of spectrum. Does country want to be led by any politician Tom supports or Tories, which is about the choice at moment.
Nice bright colours in your last post Tom. Quite incisive , for you.
You certainly don't know that Flecc.
They "probably" handled it wrong.
Could one of you Russian agents please explain a scenario where this event was carried out by any of our services. ( notice I left out intelligence, which seems pretty normal on here at moment)
Try and keep your explanations almost believable, with perhaps some motives ??
Is anyone really trying to say May approached MI5/6 and asked for this to be done ? Apart from May's ( initial) increase in popularity there is not a single motive for this to have happened.( on UK's part)
Seems quite ironic many folk insist on evidence, proof etc etc but then offer a complete cock and bull story as a supposedly realistic explanation.
The absolutely worst thing May might have done is an attempt to benefit. Suggesting this was somehow organised by " our " agencies is actually bordering on insane.
On the political parties...lets hope Simon Franks gets plenty of support and he can do a Macron..said it about a dozen times now but country is crying out for a moderate centralist party. Its hardly a democracy when you are offered only cranky ends of spectrum. Does country want to be led by any politician Tom supports or Tories, which is about the choice at moment.
Nice bright colours in your last post Tom. Quite incisive , for you.
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I can't, as I've posted several times, I don't know who's done it but can think of some prime candidates who are very likely to profit by it.
But Russia isn't one of them. The Russians might be all sorts of things, but stupid they are not. They are winning on all fronts, disrupting Ukraine so much it now cannot become an EU or NATO member, taking over the Crimea, winning and beating the West in Syria, now winning Turkey over to their side.
Winning comprehensively like that, why on earth would they then expose themselves to international criticism with this amateurish bungled assault in Salisbury? It makes no sense, but it makes perfect sense for one of Russia's less competent enemies to have done it to discredit them.
And as I've posted previously, the Russian response to the accusation this time is totally different from that when they have been guilty. Their policies then have been quick tit for tat expulsions and letting it go quiet, just like anyone who's been caught out. This time their response has been repeated insistent fury, far greater retaliations against the accusers and refusing to let the story go quiet. That clearly indicates innocence this time.
They are going to demand a future price for this false accusation.
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But we do know! and that's the problem for Mayit really doesn't make sense, does it?
Every new revelation makes matters worse, it's like something out of Cluedo
- A deadly Nerve agent that they recovered from
- A missing persons mystery: where are the son and his partner?
- The pets have been liquidated by the Fuzz, apart from a cat that has gone AWOL
- Messages from Syria? about packages being delivered and two people that we haven't traced have made an egress (unspecified on anything about the persons. package, or the country they entered and left)
- Porton Down won't play the game and blame either Putin or Russia
- Locals shunned the couple as they thought they were just another pair of Junkies out of their heads from a "Fix" (there apparently was another couple on the same shopping precinct in the same state on the same day.
- Most people by now have given up on this, but not our resident Putin fan, who speciality is wishing for things that won't come true, regardless of the odds, and even inconvenient facts.
I love it when a plan falls gruesomely in ruins!
Too many cracks you you drive a Double Decker bus through, sideways in a a six wheeled drift.
It's a bungled attempt at Planting evidence by either someone desperate to be made to personally look good, regardless of consequences, or one of Russia's many enemies are throwing their rattle out of their pram.
Some might disagree with the distinguished Scots novelist - these two by way of example:
Tom
Hold it right there.
You have really lost you head haven't you ? we might as well start calling you Zlatan the Fascist agent. it would be just as childish
There are no "Russian agents" on here, though of course if there were then you would be the prime candidate.
Who said it was carried out by our services?
What clearly happened was TM leapt at the opportunity to make herself look good
- Without real evidence other than non specific phone intercepts jumped the gun
- The so called Privy Council Briefing to Corbyn was designed to "Drop him in it"
- The so deadly Nerve agent could possibly be Fentanyl poisoning
- Boris lied like the idiot he is.
And your remarks about "intelligence" in that derogatory fashion show that you still cannot avoid using insults can you?
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How can the so called "Policeman of the World" the United States possibly be run by a Liar by his own admission?
And our clown provokes the Russians
What a world eh?
If Putin is what the British press ,our Government and the fools who listen and believe their stories think turns out to be true.
Then we are living on borrowed time.
But giving quite a convincing argument as to the Russians not doing it is completely different to suggesting May/ MI5/6 has.
I dont disagree the evidence against Russia is perhaps circumstantial ( apart from.previous history) but the evidence against May is quite literally non existent.
If you read all my posts I,ve never said I know Russia was behind this, I think they are but I know May certainly is not.
The intelligence "quote" was for any folk making suggestion May is behind this. To me that suggests a distinct lack of intelligence on either the subject or May.
Are you actually defending posters suggesting this event was organised by May/ MI5/6 ? I dont think so OG, but if cap fits.
But yet again you are quite selective on your choice of who is insulting, perhaps you missed Tom's post?
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It strikes me that what has become a major diplomatic incident, engineered by the Tory leader and her paymasters to draw the public's attention away from the UK's capitulation at the 'Brexit' negotiations is proving to be a complete disaster.
The government's credibility plummets daily as more and more deliberate lies are discovered in their tale concerning the Russian residents of Salisbury. The woman overseeing this anti-Russian concoction which she hoped would prove her strength and stability is now looking to be a complete liability, not only as a tory leader but, more importantly, as the Prime Minister of the UK.
It would be nice to see her and her corrupt party given a kicking at the forthcoming elections as she, and they, are well past their sell-by date.
I believe she is more dangerous than Thatcher (her idol) and is determined to eclipse the lunatic Thatcher by further reinforcing the gulf between the haves and the have-nots.
For those who may have forgotten, here are some interesting opinions about the woman seen as a national hero by May and other right-wing zealots:
Baroness Margaret Hilda Thatcher, 13th October 1925 – 8th April 2013.
"Mrs Thatcher is not an intellectual giant, nor has she risen to such heights through her beauty or her oratorical skills. She is a new-fashioned two-nation Tory who understands the simple truth, which evades far too many of us: that class confidence comes out of class strength, and that her class can win only if the other class loses."
- Paul Foot
Poverty went up under Thatcher, according to figures from the Institute for Fiscal Studies. In 1979, 13.4% of the population lived below 60% of median incomes before housing costs. By 1990, it had gone up to 22.2%, or 12.2m people, with huge rises in the mid-1980s.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/incomes_in_uk
The gini coefficient, which is the most common method of measuring inequality (a score of one would be a completely unequal society; zero would be completely equal), went up from 0.253 to 0.339 by the time Thatcher resigned.
"As the trade unions were broken "The City" -- London's Wall Street -- experienced the deregulation and subsequent astronomic growth that would eventually lead to Libor-rigging and, paired with similar deregulatory efforts in the States, the spectacular international financial catastrophe itself...
(The myth -- and it is a myth -- that the 1970s were Britain's lowest point persists mainly because "winners" of Thatcher's upward wealth redistribution are more likely to write books and newspapers columns and host television shows than former miners are.)...
It is commonly assumed that Thatcher put now jobless miners and other victims of her policies on "Incapacity Benefit" -- their version of "disability" benefits -- instead of counting them as unemployed, to make the widespread economic devastation she was wreaking look less appalling at election time. This would've been especially necessary considering that the Conservatives won thanks in part to their famous "Labour Isn't Working" campaign, and then they immediately chucked the longtime British policy of full employment...
Margaret Thatcher was a zealot, a friend to the worst mass murderers of the 1980s, a force for antisocial cruelty, and her violent means of ending the great British experiment in social democracy made the country a more brutal, less equal county. One of the most telling, and disturbing, of Thatcher's catchphrases was "there is no alternative," which was always invoked specifically to close off the possibility of considering the many extant alternatives to her top-down class warfare. At this point, the alternatives that might've produced a more equitable future are indeed long since gone, and the future -- for England's indebted, jobless youth and people the world over ground down by her philosophical comrades -- looks about as grim as those horrid 1970s must've looked to the people who originally voted Thatcher into office. The world is better off without her, and it would've been much better off had she never existed in the first place."
From 'The woman who wrecked Great Britain'
To read more:
https://www.salon.com/2013/04/09/the_woman_who_wrecked_great_britain/
Ken Livingstone articulated his view on Thatcher this way:
Tom
The government's credibility plummets daily as more and more deliberate lies are discovered in their tale concerning the Russian residents of Salisbury. The woman overseeing this anti-Russian concoction which she hoped would prove her strength and stability is now looking to be a complete liability, not only as a tory leader but, more importantly, as the Prime Minister of the UK.
It would be nice to see her and her corrupt party given a kicking at the forthcoming elections as she, and they, are well past their sell-by date.
I believe she is more dangerous than Thatcher (her idol) and is determined to eclipse the lunatic Thatcher by further reinforcing the gulf between the haves and the have-nots.
For those who may have forgotten, here are some interesting opinions about the woman seen as a national hero by May and other right-wing zealots:
Baroness Margaret Hilda Thatcher, 13th October 1925 – 8th April 2013.
"Mrs Thatcher is not an intellectual giant, nor has she risen to such heights through her beauty or her oratorical skills. She is a new-fashioned two-nation Tory who understands the simple truth, which evades far too many of us: that class confidence comes out of class strength, and that her class can win only if the other class loses."
- Paul Foot
Poverty went up under Thatcher, according to figures from the Institute for Fiscal Studies. In 1979, 13.4% of the population lived below 60% of median incomes before housing costs. By 1990, it had gone up to 22.2%, or 12.2m people, with huge rises in the mid-1980s.
https://www.ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/incomes_in_uk
The gini coefficient, which is the most common method of measuring inequality (a score of one would be a completely unequal society; zero would be completely equal), went up from 0.253 to 0.339 by the time Thatcher resigned.
"As the trade unions were broken "The City" -- London's Wall Street -- experienced the deregulation and subsequent astronomic growth that would eventually lead to Libor-rigging and, paired with similar deregulatory efforts in the States, the spectacular international financial catastrophe itself...
(The myth -- and it is a myth -- that the 1970s were Britain's lowest point persists mainly because "winners" of Thatcher's upward wealth redistribution are more likely to write books and newspapers columns and host television shows than former miners are.)...
It is commonly assumed that Thatcher put now jobless miners and other victims of her policies on "Incapacity Benefit" -- their version of "disability" benefits -- instead of counting them as unemployed, to make the widespread economic devastation she was wreaking look less appalling at election time. This would've been especially necessary considering that the Conservatives won thanks in part to their famous "Labour Isn't Working" campaign, and then they immediately chucked the longtime British policy of full employment...
Margaret Thatcher was a zealot, a friend to the worst mass murderers of the 1980s, a force for antisocial cruelty, and her violent means of ending the great British experiment in social democracy made the country a more brutal, less equal county. One of the most telling, and disturbing, of Thatcher's catchphrases was "there is no alternative," which was always invoked specifically to close off the possibility of considering the many extant alternatives to her top-down class warfare. At this point, the alternatives that might've produced a more equitable future are indeed long since gone, and the future -- for England's indebted, jobless youth and people the world over ground down by her philosophical comrades -- looks about as grim as those horrid 1970s must've looked to the people who originally voted Thatcher into office. The world is better off without her, and it would've been much better off had she never existed in the first place."
From 'The woman who wrecked Great Britain'
To read more:
https://www.salon.com/2013/04/09/the_woman_who_wrecked_great_britain/
Ken Livingstone articulated his view on Thatcher this way:
Tom
This is not the first time the Russians have been blamed for a mysterious occurrence. Does anyone remember this one, wrongly portrayed by the torygraph, again in the absence of any facts?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11952973/Spy-in-bag-Gareth-Williams-was-murdered-by-Russian-hitmen-after-sexual-photo-blackmail-plot.html
The inquest didn't agree with the torygraph but they work on the basis of evidence and facts.
Tom
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11952973/Spy-in-bag-Gareth-Williams-was-murdered-by-Russian-hitmen-after-sexual-photo-blackmail-plot.html
The inquest didn't agree with the torygraph but they work on the basis of evidence and facts.
Tom
"It strikes me that what has become a major diplomatic incident, engineered by the Tory leader"
Like I said OG...and we wonder why Labour will never get into no 10...
Why not just close the thread and link us all to the Canary or whatever other stupid place Tom inhabits.
Whoever carried out the poisoning "engineered" this incident.
Hate of May is warping many posters ability to actually see what's going on. It suits many posters standpoint for May to be guilty. Its actually becoming very pathetic.
And exactly what Thatcher has to do with any of this I have no idea. And Tom criticised me for bringing up EU stance on prostiitution, drugs and trafficking for being off topic. Unbelievable.
Troll ? takes one to know one Tom.
Like I said OG...and we wonder why Labour will never get into no 10...
Why not just close the thread and link us all to the Canary or whatever other stupid place Tom inhabits.
Whoever carried out the poisoning "engineered" this incident.
Hate of May is warping many posters ability to actually see what's going on. It suits many posters standpoint for May to be guilty. Its actually becoming very pathetic.
And exactly what Thatcher has to do with any of this I have no idea. And Tom criticised me for bringing up EU stance on prostiitution, drugs and trafficking for being off topic. Unbelievable.
Troll ? takes one to know one Tom.
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You really do need to look more closely at what is going on, and understand the implications.
Tom wrote
It strikes me that what has become a major diplomatic incident, engineered by the Tory leader"
Essentially that is true!
The attack wasn't a major diplomatic incident.. May's reaction to the attack generated one,with the support of Boris's big mouth.
May took the opportunity to wrong foot Corby by ensuring he didn't get enough information and asked for more evidence.
Quite frankly if what has been revealed so far is all that exists, I expect he changed his mind and went with the flow for the sake of peace.
It suits many posters for May to be guilty?
You simply made that up, and you do that sort of thing far too often.
Lets look at this
"Whoever carried out the poisoning "engineered" this incident."
Indeed they did, and we asked for proof which isn't forthcoming, what is is a mass of conflicting claims that would never stand up in a court of law.
And you simply cannot deny the following.
May took a big risk with the reputation of this country and created a dangerous rift with the Russian because she needed her damaged reputation repaired and saw this as her chance.
Boris lied through his teeth didn't he?
And the Russians haven't acted in the way she expected they would, and in the process of this mess she has jeapordized our intelligence assets in Russia, and lost touch with the ones Putin has here.
May is not guilty of initiating the incident, but in trying to profit from it personally in a way contrary to the interest of this country.
And she botched the job and underestimated the costs to us.
Ask yourself how can it be otherwise?