Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Vauxhall announces new investment in Luton plant despite Brexit uncertainty.

PSA Chief Executive Carlos Tavares has made it clear that the period to the end of 2020 with continued EU access has made this investment possible, and our government has subsidised the investment. Tariffs after 2020 could change the position.

Their other plant at Ellesmere Port producing the Astra has been winding down though, the workforce recently reduced from 19,000 to 12,000. As I posted at the time of the PSA purchase of GM Europe, I feel certain that will be shut since the model is already produced in the mainland EU with spare capacity there.
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[oldgroaner]

PSA Chief Executive Carlos Tavares has made it clear that the period to the end of 2020 with continued EU access has made this investment possible, and our government has subsidised the investment. Tariffs after 2020 could change the position.

Their other plant at Ellesmere Port producing the Astra has been winding down though, the workforce recently reduced from 19,000 to 12,000. As I posted at the time of the PSA purchase of GM Europe, I feel certain that will be shut since the model is already produced in the mainland EU with spare capacity there.
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"I have in my hand a piece of paper

Signed by the Chief Executive of the PSA and myself.
As long as we keep keep up the flow of Money and other inducements
He assures me they shall stay forever,(if the Tariffs don't change or we pay them)
And they have no further Fiscal ambitions

It will be.............. Vans in our Time!"

Thus the years of appeasement are upon us
Next Company please!

"For where would the Government be
Without it's Magic Money Tree?"

 

[oldgroaner]

Predictable as ever in the Express
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Brexit boost: Vauxhall chooses UK over Europe as French car giant SAVES 1,400 UK jobs
VAUXHALL, part of the french-owned Groupe PSA that also makes Peugeot and Citroën cars has sent a strong message in backing Brexit Britain after announcing plans to raise manufacturing capacity and add the production of Peugeot and Citroen-badged panel vans at the firm’s Luton plant."

Note that 60% of the components are manufacted in the EU and this is interesting

"The new-found confidence and investment in the Luton plant has been negotiated by the Unite Trade Union and the Luton plant, after the staff demonstrated expertise and, “recognised know-how” in the manufacture of light commercial vehicles (LCV).
Strange, I read elswhere the Government has sweetened the deal with a subsidy......
But they wouldn't go that , it goes against their principles...
As Groucho remarked
"You don't like my principles?
Well, I have others"

 

[oldgroaner]

Comedy in this mornings Daily Mail
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Russia 'tested using nerve agent which poisoned spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter on door handles'

• Russia has explored carrying out assassinations by using Novichok on handles
• Police have already said they believe nerve agent was smeared on Skripal's BMW
• British intelligence agencies have evidence of the tactics being used previously
• Agents claim to know Moscow also tested the lethal poison on ‘everyday objects’

Well it has moved halfway down the front page, clearly smearing deadly mind poison on the headlines hasn't worked for the Daily Mail.

Scuttlebutt has it that they will be smearing it on the Cubicle door handles of Gent's Toilets next.

Even rolling out the right wing trolls in the Reader comments hasn't stopped the number of highly critical comments!

Stop digging before you drown DM

 

[oldgroaner]

Also in the Daily Mail
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Boris Johnson accuses Corbyn of 'playing Russia's game' after Labour leader claims he has 'egg on his face' for appearing to exaggerate evidence found by Porton Down on Novichok poison

• Abbott has accused Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson of misleading the public
• Johnson said on TV that scientists had told him the nerve agent was from Russia
• Porton Down said last night it was not able to say where the substance was made
• Putin seized on the apparent confusion to call for an outbreak of 'common sense'

Still here Boris?

 

[Woosh]

Johnson said on TV that scientists had told him the nerve agent was from Russia

BJ did not say who told him that 'there was no doubt about that'.
maybe the guy who told Mr Johnson got it from the Daily Mail.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the independent
"
Beano sends cease-and-desist letter to Jacob Rees-Mogg asking him to stop masquerading as one of their characters

Beano has asked Jacob Rees-Mogg – who is often jokingly referred to as a walking, talking caricature of poshness – to stop masquerading as one of its cartoon characters.

The children’s comic alleged that the politician and their character Walter Brown are more alike than coincidence allows for, and accused the MP of "copyright infringement" on Twitter.

Walter Brown, the infamous enemy of Dennis the Menace, is known for taking a briefcase to school to make him feel grown-up, an uncanny ability to take the fun out of everything and regularly declaring "fun is for failures!"

Bang to Rights!

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Just in the nick of time some good news for the Government .......Perhaps......
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Vauxhall announces new investment in Luton plant despite Brexit uncertainty
The carmaker's chief executive said the investment was a 'major milestone'
And of course it is: at least the jobs there are safe for a while as are the ones in support industries.
Naturally that is very good news, even if the result is only temporary
Ignoring the convenience for the Government at this time, let's look at what has actually happened

1. Money and or other inducements have been applied by the Govenment to grease the decision for Vauxhall to continue, odd that they have suddenly developed enthusiasm for something that previously was regarded as Anathema, and the Unions have guaranteed some accomodation from the workforce....no doubt involving some loss to them either financial or otherwise, just how the Tory Government intend the future to be for the workers, subdued and worse off.
   
2. There would have been considerable expense in moving the process out of the country, that the Company have avoided, and there won't be a tariff problem while we remain in the EU and during the transition period
3. The boss of the actual owners made it quite plain that everything is dependent on no change to access to and from the EU.
4. Evidently he has been assured that BRINO is on the cards.
5. This is evidently just a temporary expedient when he used the expression "into the next decade" and it has no effect on the Astra plant

So we have a Welcome but temporary stay of execution where the future is entirely dependent on an advantageous EU trading arrangement.

What is surprising is that he is willing to trust this Government to keep it's word.
Naturally other companies will now jump on this bandwagon for the freebies it will bring, one has to wonder how much it will cost us, the taxpayers, and how much it will cost the workforce.

Not getting the hard Brexit desired isn't going to sit well with Jackass, Boris, Gollum and co, though they do have a bit of a dilemna of how to play this and not appear to be against jobs being protected.
For if they press for a Hard Brexit now this deal will be dead in the water.
It will be interesting to see how that faction react.

Watch the Murdoch press blazon it as a fantastic Brexit Boom.
My take on this? Good news of a temporary reprieve for a lot of people and welcome for what it turns out to be worth, for however long it lasts, but not without costs to us and the workforce.

In the long term, not a permanent solution to the problem, it really makes you wonder what the company have been promised and bribed with, and the workers have been forced to accept.
I wonder if any of them voted for Brexit?

And it couldn't have come at a better time for TM and co, could it?

And all this is because of the mad decision from the Brexit Referendum, the Ultimate own goal for the working class.

I sit here wondering what motivates someone want to to take the time write nearly a page of absolute ball cox. Are you a paid activist? If so, how much do you get for each post? Or are you working for the Russians?

 

[oldgroaner]

I sit here wondering what motivates someone want to to take the time write nearly a page of absolute ball cox. Are you a paid activist? If so, how much do you get for each post? Or are you working for the Russians?

What an odd attitude you have, does it never occur to you that you are completely off the mark with such stupid comments?
Tell me, why when I point out the obvious about what is happening at Luton ask for proof about the Sailsbury poisoning somehow that proves I am working for the Russians?
You have a pretty juvenile mind if you think such a thing.

Am I a paid activist? no, I do this out of sense of charity to try to dispel mass delusion spread by the Right wing, and when necessary left wing loony politicians too

You referred to the Luton Plant, what is going on there is plain enough,
but since there can be no connection with the Russians on that subject, perhaps your comments also include the Salisbury poisoning affair?

I see that you regard not just Putin as being personally responsible but fall back on the mythical stereotyping of the whole Russian nation as being evil?
Nice work, there's a word for despising a whole nation, without who's sacrifice we would be speaking German now.

Instead of coming on for the occasional juvenile attack, why not contribute something to the debate?

Any fool can do what you just did, of course

Let me ask you a question
How long does it take for you to hang around in the background muttering to yourself unable to make a sensible response before we get one of these periodic right wing biased outbursts?

Or is it a case that the Conservative Party funds so sparse they can only pay you for a couple of efforts per year?

FYI
I have never been a big fan of the labour Party, Communist, Party and certainly not the Tory Party, nor any other for that matter

And at no point have I stated that Putin was necessarily innocent of this poisoning.
I have said it was not Proven...look up what that means.

I have actually taken the line that our Government have done the following

1. Acted without being able to actually prove their case
2. Boris publicly lied about what he was told
   
3. The action taken wasn't thought through and no consideration to the consequences taken, they have damaged us more than their target
   
4. An abbreviated briefing was given to Corbyn to wrong foot him with the press for political advantage
5. We have been made to look fools, rather than nailed Putin.

And why? to cover up May's Brexit failures and make her look "Strong a Stable"
And you think that's absolute ball cox?
So by default you think this has been handled well?
Good grief!

 

[oldtom]

I sit here wondering what motivates someone want to to take the time write nearly a page of absolute ball cox. Are you a paid activist? If so, how much do you get for each post? Or are you working for the Russians?

Your point is?

Why do you bother?

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

The Daily Mail never know when to give up on a dead story
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Kremlin accuses the UK of 'playing with fire' over poisoning of ex-spy Sergei Skripal as it is revealed deadly nerve agent was made at MILITARY lab dubbed 'Russian Porton Down'

Note the word Revealed it was actually CLAIMED in the times
Two days ago the Chief of Porton Down said he had no evidence the compond was made in Russia.
To quote David Collum, Professor of Organic Chemistry at Cornel University "The compounds are simple as h@ll to make. Doing so without killing yourself would be more challenging but within the capabilities of many laboratories"

The reader's comments are becoming hostile to the Propaganda.
Time they switched to the Wedding of the Year Diversionary news.

 

[tillson]

The reader's comments are becoming hostile to the Propaganda.
Time they switched to the Wedding of the Year Diversionary news.

Noooooo. I have heard enough garbage about Harry Hewitt already and the wedding is still a month away.

I think there is a plenty of mileage in the story about the pensioner who put an end to the bloke who broke into his house. That has potential for a very bold statement from the PM concerning home owner’s rights in the event of someone breaking in. That will be right up the Daily Mail readership’s alley and provide her with some welcome respite. She can’t really say much about the children of London slaying each other because as Home Secretary she facilitated much of what is happening. Any hint of reassessment regarding her previous decisions will be unthinkable and viewed as weakness.

 

[oldtom]

She can’t really say much about the children of London slaying each other because as Home Secretary she facilitated much of what is happening.

Well spotted! I think millions of the voters who have succumbed to to the tory media brainwashing programme have forgotten just what a disaster May was as Home Secretary. Some individuals, however, have noticed like your good self 'Tillson':


Tom

 

[oldtom]

The power of the British media has been used increasingly during the tenure of the disaster that is May to support her creaking government.

Dan Rather, the famed American journalist and former CBS news anchor, has this to say about the trend in modern media journalism:



Tom

 

[Zlatan]

Sorry I,ve been away a few days Tom, delivering a boat, well more like a Barge, to Rotterdam ( biggest port in the world) from Hull. Never saw OG either, well at least that went well, better than passage anyhow.
Amazes me how you can be sat in one of nicest settings in the world , nipped up to Amsterdam, having a beer and meal but seeing ganja in every shop ( one cafe actually says ouutside " We actually sell coffee") and restaurant and girls sat in shop windows , advertising themselves ( its estimated 60 to 75% of girls here are trafficked/ forced) and we are about 40 miles away from The Hague. ( Supreme Court of Irony)
Notice Russians have been taking advice from our very own dissidents. The poisoning didn't happen or it was bad fish. (didn't realise Skripals had been to Hull as well) Now that must have been a hell of a fish. Puffer fish is poisonous unless cooked by a ninja..something like that.
Anyway on move soon. Down to med.
Should be windy and warm down there now.
DV8EH...good try.
Tillson. Good posts.
OG/ Tom ..well at least predictable.
Before you ask. No,I tried neither the girls or the ganja. I,ll stick to sailing.

 

[tillson]

Sorry I,ve been away a few days Tom, delivering a boat, well more like a Barge, to Rotterdam ( biggest port in the world) from Hull. Never saw OG either, well at least that went well, better than passage anyhow.
Amazes me how you can be sat in one of nicest settings in the world , nipped up to Amsterdam, having a beer and meal but seeing ganja in every shop ( one cafe actually says ouutside " We actually sell coffee") and restaurant and girls sat in shop windows , advertising themselves ( its estimated 60 to 75% of girls here are trafficked/ forced) and we are about 40 miles away from The Hague. ( Supreme Court of Irony)
Notice Russians have been taking advice from our very own dissidents. The poisoning didn't happen or it was bad fish. (didn't realise Skripals had been to Hull as well)
Anyway on move soon. Down to med.
Should be windy and warm down there now.
DV8EH...good try.
Tillson. Good posts.
OG/ Tom ..well at least predictable.

Good point about the women forced into sexual slavery right on the doorstep of the EUHQ . The ability of the slave traffickers to move what they like when they like, gifted to them by the EU, must be very helpful and allow them to grow their slavery businesses .

 

[oldtom]

Well, so much for 'military-grade, deadly nerve-agent' then. Sergei Skripal is 'improving rapidly' from his coma, it has been reported.

I wonder if he'll be able to explain the situation better than the Home Secretary and PM.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43671958

Tom

 

[Zlatan]

Good point about the women forced into sexual slavery right on the doorstep of the EUHQ . The ability of the slave traffickers to move what they like when they like, gifted to them by the EU, must be very helpful and allow them to grow their slavery businesses .

Sounds like I,m a bit obsessed with the girls ??!! Wife was a social worker in Rotherham for a while and is still giving evidence.( evidence ignored 10 years ago)...but the stories in Dutch newspapers about the girls' predicaments sounds so similar to those in Rotherham. Amazing thing is here its all on show,almost an attraction, you can even take guided tours of area and chaps giving oratory actually tell visitors protocols of a visit and fact many girls are there against their wishes.( there are a few prosecutions going through courts now) Common strand is girls are coerced there with all sorts of promises ( work, wealth, passports etc ) Then kept here with threats against families.
In broad daylight , in full view of authorities and as mentioned at the heart of EU justice.
What a stupid world we live in.

 

[Woosh]

What a stupid world we live in.

it's called 'free enterprise' also known as 'market economy'.

 

[flecc]

Well, so much for 'military-grade, deadly nerve-agent' then. Sergei Skripal is 'improving rapidly' from his coma, it has been reported.

They had to reveal that once the Russians let out that his daughter in her phone call to Russia had revealed her father was doing well. That rather destroyed the government story that he was still seriously ill.
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