Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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They need to deploy Derbyshire Constabulary. After 63 years, they have detected that Derbyshire Constabulary Male Voice Choir has no women members. The Chief Constable has disassociated the Constabulary from the choir. Now that’s the sort of action we won’t from our police. Non of this unearthing facts via investigation nonsense.
Quite so, Experts? who needs 'em?:cool:
 
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Zlatan

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And you said this
". Stop looking for argument."

Then don't come on insulting contributors on this thread intent on starting one.
Oh, yes ofcourse, the EU's attitude towards prostitution, trafficking and drugs a mere 40 miles or so away from the EU's judicial centre has nothing at all to do with EU, Brexit and your thread. My mistake sorry OG.
 

oldgroaner

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Oh, yes ofcourse, the EU's attitude towards prostitution, trafficking and drugs a mere 40 miles or so away from the EU's judicial centre has nothing at all to do with EU, Brexit and your thread. My mistake sorry OG.
The difference was that the EU tried to coerce governments into doing something about these things, only to have governments like ours resist this happening, now due to the idiotic Brexit vote this same government is completely free to work havoc here.
Congratulations that's what you voted for, to destroy any hope of progress.
Where there was little before, none exists now.
Had our government been a proper member of the EU we could have helped bring about useful change.
Now thanks to the likes of you we have put the nation back to the 1930's

This is what is happening right now here
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Home Office accused of cruelty for ordering cannabis slave back to Vietnam
Teenager spent five years as a cannabis gardener in the UK being beaten and threatened, after he was seized from Hanoi aged 10

The Home Office has been accused of cruelty over a decision to send a child victim of trafficking, who spent years in enforced slavery cultivating cannabis plants in England, back to Vietnam, where he has no family.

The child, known as S, was a 10-year-old orphan living on the streets of Hanoi, when he was picked up by gangsters and trafficked from Vietnam to England. For five years he was locked into a series of terraced houses which had been converted into cannabis farms, and forced to work as a cannabis gardener.

He worked for no pay in dangerous conditions, watering the plants, mixing toxic growth-boosting chemical fertilisers, turning industrial lights on and off at eight-hourly intervals to maximise plant growth, and pruning and drying out the crops. The chemicals made him ill; he burned his hair and skin on the hot lamps, and occasionally got electric shocks from the tangle of wires powering the lights.

For several years he lived alone, cut off from the outside world, under instructions to keep away from the windows, so passersby would not know he was inside. He was visited periodically by his traffickers, who dropped off food for him and inspected the plants. If the plants looked sickly he was beaten.


UK police criticised for failure to help enslaved cannabis farmers
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“I was like an animal, kept in a box,” he said at the home where he lives with his foster family. He has asked not to be identified, to prevent his traffickers from pursuing him.

I have signed the Petition and the open letter

Time you abandoned your EU fetish and started to concern yourself with the consequences of giving unlimited power to the people who worked to disrupt the good intended efforts of the EU


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From the Express
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'They were given ANTIDOTES' Russia expert makes SHOCKING claims over Salisbury poisoning
A RUSSIAN chemist who worked on the original Novichok nerve agent used in the poisoning of former-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia has spoken out on BBC Newsnight about why they have survived against all odds."

It's Shocking alright, and the reader's comments are shocked that the Express is still digging at the bottom of this flooded hole!
 
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From the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/06/facebook-suspends-aggregate-iq-cambridge-analytica-vote-leave-brexit
Facebook suspends data firm hired by Vote Leave over alleged Cambridge Analytica ties
AggregateIQ, which played a pivotal role in the Brexit campaign, suspended after reports it may have improperly obtained user data

A popular cry from the leavers in the papers is
"The people decided"

Makes you wonder how true that was, indeed who "The People who decided" were too.

A vast amount of money changed hands, was it well spent?

And this in the Independent from America
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Facebook will require political advertisers to provide more information about their identities, CEO Mark Zuckerberg has said, responding to concerns about how foreign advertisements affected the 2016 presidential election.

Mr Zuckerberg said any advertiser who wanted to run political or issue ads would have to be verified, confirming both their identity and location. The same policy will apply to people running large Facebook pages, Mr Zuckerberg said.

"With important elections coming up in the US, Mexico, Brazil, India, Pakistan and more countries in the next year, one of my top priorities for 2018 is making sure we support positive discourse and prevent interference in these elections," the CEO wrote in a Facebook post."

Now why I wonder, on the basis of what evidence did he use this expression

"and prevent interference in these elections,"

Suspicion, Fear of public unease? or cold hard facts.
Truly we live in the "Fake News" Years when we can be sure of nothing dished out to us by anyone.

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Ooh heck! we had better get some Women to come onto the thread ,or declare it to be
Multiracial/MultiReligioun/ Atheist/ Agnostic/ Multi Poititical view/Multi Sexual persuasion/ None Ageist.

Brexit for once some facts,

and of course Off topic discussions, (Trolls acceptable if house trained)
Welcome
(It all helps with the circulation figures and Advertising revenue)

Ps: apologies if I missed any group, please tack yourself somewhere into the list.

Oh Dear I forgot to add myself to the list is there room for "Retired Engineers/ Anarchistically inclined Fan Cleaners" on there somewhere?
 
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The Russians have been involved in a massive campaign of subversion via social media. The more I read this thread, the more I can believe that.
 

oldgroaner

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The Russians have been involved in a massive campaign of subversion via social media. The more I read this thread, the more I can believe that.
Quite possibly and so has the Right wing too, even discounting occasional contributions from our goodself :)

You need to look much nearer than Russia if you are concerned about subversion, just look at the UKIP and Conservative Parties.

The Russians are a comparatively minor threat compared to them.
How many millions were expended trying to distort the Brexit result?
 

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I hear that Sadiq Khan is calling for greater use of stop & search powers by the police. Wait a minute, this tw@t was one of the biggest critics of the use of stop & search. Now the tool is calling for its wider use. Make your mind up, or better still leave policing to the police and Khan can do whatever it is that he does, which doesn't seem to be much other than flip-flopping and surfing the popular vote. What a tosser and dangerous with it too.

Both he and May have lent a helping hand to the feral drug scum carrying out these attacks.
 
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I hear that Sadiq Khan is calling for greater use of stop & search powers by the police. Wait a minute, this tw@t was one of the biggest critics of the use of stop & search. Now the tool is calling for its wider use. Make your mind up, or better still leave policing to the police
Of course, if a politician runs the police these expediency swings will always happen, with a mayor of any political persuasion or racial origin.

And who was it who had policing powers inappropriately added to the London Mayor role?

Boris Johnson, the Tory Brexit genius when he had the mayoral role, with an incompetent Tory government able to grant him that power.
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Of course, if a politician runs the police these expediency swings will always happen, with a mayor of any political persuasion or racial origin.

And who was it who had policing powers inappropriately added to the London Mayor role?

Boris Johnson, the Tory Brexit genius when he had the mayoral role, with an incompetent Tory government able to grant him that power.
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I agree with you over Johnson. What a lying untrustworthy scumbag he has shown himself to be. How much longer can he get away with it?

Would anyone like to run a sweepstake on how long it will be before politicians are calling for restrictions on the police use of Stop & Search powers?

Most of the coppers I know won’t use their stop & search powers now. They have lost all confidence In their managers and believe they will be isolated and abandoned if a complaint is made against them. It’s much safer to turn a blind eye and pretend they didn’t see something suspicious. They can’t lose their livelihood that way. A shocking state of affairs, but one created by the likes of Theresa May and weak ambition driven management.
 

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Would anyone like to run a sweepstake on how long it will be before politicians are calling for restrictions on the police use of Stop & Search powers?
a year?
 
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Most of the coppers I know won’t use their stop & search powers now. They have lost all confidence In their managers and believe they will be isolated and abandoned if a complaint is made against them.
And here's the most senior police manager in the UK:

Many will remember the botched police operation that led to the killing of innocent electrician Jean-Charles Menezes. The officer running that operation was Chief Superintendent Clarissa Dicks, and the subsequent inquiry ruled that it was very badly run.

But when it came to a trial of the police officer who pumped seven bullets into the innocent man's brain while two other officers held him down, he was acquitted and the jury conveniently ruled that Clarissa Dicks was not in any way to blame! Either that jury was composed of those who think the police can do no wrong, or it was fixed.

Later in 2011 Clarissa Dicks was promoted to Assistant Commissioner and then somewhat mysteriously resigned from the Metropolitan Force and joined the Foreign Office in an unspecified Director General role. At the same time she was awarded a CBE.

Two years later she was brought back to the force as The Metropolitan Commissioner in sole charge, and shortly after revealed she was gay, her partner Helen also in the Met. She's a daughter of a senior tutor at Balliol College, Oxford, had a very privileged education and was fast tracked in her early police career, gaining a philosophy degree in criminology during her service.

She's obviously an establishment figure and fits well into today's PC environment, being both female and gay. What a pity competence isn't a requirement of PC.
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