Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

Were you having a bad day when you voted?
And you wonder why I find you amusing.

OG, i hadn't realised that internet trolls were permitted the vote. I'm shocked!

With reference to voting rights, there was a piece published 6 months ago, no doubt at the behest of a small group of thin-skinned tory MPs but as yet, I'm not aware of any action in that direction. Frankly, any abuse incurred by MPs is usually well-deserved and really, it goes with the territory.
As for the ordinary citizens, it seems no-one is interested in protecting people from the nasty, spiteful, solitary creatures that cause so much angst among internet social media users, presumably for their own gross, sexual gratification.

troll2 | trɒl, trəʊl |
noun
1 a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post: one solution is to make a troll's postings invisible to the rest of community once they've been recognized.
• a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.

That seems to be the MO of all known trolls and is exactly what the Pedelecs 'Brexit' forum troll has being doing since its arrival.

The solution offered in the definition is my preferred choice but in its absence I try to ignore the stupid nonsense it produces in the hope it will go away if ignored.

The internet adage 'Don't feed the troll' is worthy and has been proved to work elsewhere however, since contributors here don't seem to mind its presence too much, I shall simply continue to avoid exchanging comment with the wretched creature.

This is what the 'Mail' published:

Internet-trolls-abuse-MPs-lose-right-vote.html

Tom

 

[oyster]

"The best friend of Sergei Skripal believes the poisoned double agent and his daughter Yulia are so critically ill they should be allowed to die."
Source .. Sky News has full article now.

Yesterday:

Sergei and Yulia Skripal have slim chance of survival, says niece
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/28/sergei-yulia-skripal-slim-chance-survival-niece-viktoria-russian-spy

Today:

Yulia Skripal no longer in critical condition, say Salisbury doctors

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/29/yulia-skripal-no-longer-in-critical-condition-says-salisbury-nhs

That is an amazing turnaround, don't you think?

 

[flecc]

Yulia Skripal no longer in critical condition, say Salisbury doctors

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/29/yulia-skripal-no-longer-in-critical-condition-says-salisbury-nhs

That is an amazing turnaround, don't you think?

Apparently it was her left hand and his right hand that were contaminated.

I bet they think twice before holding hands again!
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[Danidl]

Yesterday:

Sergei and Yulia Skripal have slim chance of survival, says niece
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/28/sergei-yulia-skripal-slim-chance-survival-niece-viktoria-russian-spy

Today:

Yulia Skripal no longer in critical condition, say Salisbury doctors

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/29/yulia-skripal-no-longer-in-critical-condition-says-salisbury-nhs

That is an amazing turnaround, don't you think?

Even a day or two can make a huge difference when in a critical care centre. Note that the NHS statement was later and directly linked with the hospital in question. Whereas the previous day's message had come from a lay person in Russia , had presumably had delays in coming and going and might have reflected the prognosis of even 3 to 4 days earlier.

 

[oyster]

Even a day or two can make a huge difference when in a critical care centre. Note that the NHS statement was later and directly linked with the hospital in question. Whereas the previous day's message had come from a lay person in Russia , had presumably had delays in coming and going and might have reflected the prognosis of even 3 to 4 days earlier.

It is very easy to see why the differences might exist - as you suggest time and access could explain that. Which is why we need to apply our critical faculties to assessing what to believe. So far, the stories of what exactly happened, where the poisoning took place, extent of danger to third parties, and on and on have many times had to be revised. Sometimes it has been difficult to see quite how the story could really have changed so much. It has looked as if at least some reports have either been flimsily based or even had questionable motives.

In the longer term we might start to see more clarity. We can hope.

 

[oldgroaner]

,ve seen enough corruption, poverty, crime, social injustice around EU to be convinced myself Brexit is a positive step.

Positive step?
Lets see what exactly is Positive about Brexit

No Natural resources that can be profitably exploited that we can export

Only 50% of Companies are locally owned

The Country is hugely in Debt

Incompetent and corrupt UK Government, that never wanted to leave the EU, but had the Referendum forced on it by a renegade faction

The main supporters of the EU used cheating, lies, subterfuge, including psychological warfare techniques through social media, and false promises to gain the support of an electorate who thought they were making a protest vote against the very government that was the Author of it's woes.
And it didn't have a plan to deliver the goods!

But the Cambridge Analytica techniques are phony? if so, then why were huge amounts of money invested in them, by the supposedly smartest operators in the land? (and the Conservatives too)

So let's look at the motivation of the people who did that.

1. Were they Philanthropists trying to improve the lot of the public?
2. Were they a bunch or Rip off artists who wanted to reduce the public to cheap work slaves they could exploit and profit from?

Option 1 can be discarded immediately as they want to employ the present means already in use of exploiting the public, but increasing it's severity by a factor of 10

The result of the referendum has cemented the source of the Country's problems in place and there is no credible opposition

So we are heading into a dystopian future lead by a group of Rogue politicians who will use every means of lying cheating and distorting the truth to gain their own ends

And you come trot out the hoary old maxim that the EU is corrupt?
Look around you, corruption is not going away with the EU.
In fact you have voted to make it far worse.

Brexit is a positive step?.......for those who bought and paid for it, not the rest of us.

 

[oldgroaner]

It is very easy to see why the differences might exist - as you suggest time and access could explain that. Which is why we need to apply our critical faculties to assessing what to believe. So far, the stories of what exactly happened, where the poisoning took place, extent of danger to third parties, and on and on have many times had to be revised. Sometimes it has been difficult to see quite how the story could really have changed so much. It has looked as if at least some reports have either been flimsily based or even had questionable motives.

In the longer term we might start to see more clarity. We can hope.

In vain springs to mind.

 

[oldgroaner]

Yesterday:

Sergei and Yulia Skripal have slim chance of survival, says niece
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/28/sergei-yulia-skripal-slim-chance-survival-niece-viktoria-russian-spy

Today:

Yulia Skripal no longer in critical condition, say Salisbury doctors

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/29/yulia-skripal-no-longer-in-critical-condition-says-salisbury-nhs

That is an amazing turnaround, don't you think?

This part caught my eye
"Officers are examining more than 5,000 hours of CCTV footage and 1,350 exhibits that have been seized, while 500 witnesses have been identified."

What could 500 people have witnessed?

 

[oldgroaner]

It is very easy to see why the differences might exist - as you suggest time and access could explain that. Which is why we need to apply our critical faculties to assessing what to believe. So far, the stories of what exactly happened, where the poisoning took place, extent of danger to third parties, and on and on have many times had to be revised. Sometimes it has been difficult to see quite how the story could really have changed so much. It has looked as if at least some reports have either been flimsily based or even had questionable motives.

In the longer term we might start to see more clarity. We can hope.

Or even if the material employed has been correctly identified?it seems to have different properties than shall we say "those advertised."

 

[tillson]

"How strange then that I have voted Conservative more times than I've voted Labour in my long life. Makes me a rather weird Trotskyite, especially since I'll be voting Conservative on May 3rd."

Now there is a revelation. Cant quite believe it..Hope Tom and OG are reading....

By the way..I,m anti extreme left ...not extreme anti left. I,ve never voted Conservative and never will. The extreme left are doing you tories a big favour..
Well I never. Flecc a tory. Think I,ll have a drink on that flecc. There's me, defending May because I actually think she,s decent for a tory and inherited an almost impossible job; has had some terrible events to deal with and all in all has come out well, and has gained rather than lost popularity...even though I,m a devout labour voter..( more so than lib Dem OG)..Yet I,ve been labelled pink tory.
What next. Tom and Tillson secret May supporters.
This is going to alter the whole ethos on here. Still cant believe it.

Zlatan, there are quite a few areas where we agree with each other and there are some things upon which our opinions differ. I’m pleased that we always remain polite and respectful when communicating.

Like flecc, I have voted Labour and Conservative. Unlike flecc, I have also voted UKIP and maybe even LibDem. At the last election, I don’t think I voted because it’s reached a point where I despise them all. In a politician, honesty, integrity and a passionate belief in what they stand for, even if that belief doesn’t appeal to me, is what I find impressive. That’s why I quite like Corbyn. He passionately believes in something, but even though he knows it is likely to be at odds with popular thinking, he still says what he believes in. If they all had the balls to do that instead of constantly flip-flopping back and forth with no sincerity & trying to tap into votes, we might get proper governance and debate.

I hate Teresa May, she is despicable. Teresa May is massively incompetent and has inflicted huge amounts of irreparable damage on the police service. Just about every change she made, new initiative she introduced, and cut administered during her time as HS has back-fired and failed, leaving the public more vulnerable & the police less effective. Her latest triumph is the farce over police bail and the release of thousands of dangerous suspects into the community with absolutely no control. She was warned from a diverse range of sources that this would happen and it has now happened. She has a pathological inability to listen to advice and I’m quite sure she perceives taking advice as a weakness which makes her appear less Thatcheresque. I hate the monotony of the same boring meaningless strap-lines she constantly repeats, “best possible deal” “what’s best for this country “. What the hell does that mean? As far as I am concerned, nothing is off the table if it removes the dangerous, evil, self-centred bitch from having any influence over the general public.

Next, I suspect we shall have to witness the destruction of GKN, plus the irreplaceable loss of skills, jobs and technology. All so that the Conservatives wealthy friends can add to their piles of stinking filthy cash. Theresa May and her husband will be cheering them on, hoping for a free meal.

 

[Woosh]

Next, I suspect we shall have to witness the destruction of GKN, plus the irreplaceable loss of skills, jobs and technology. All so that the Conservatives wealthy friends can add to their piles of stinking filthy cash. Theresa May and her husband will be cheering them on, hoping for a free meal.

they always do, they are the estate agents for all mergers and acquisitions.
No wonder the conservative party is always looking for something to sell.

 

[oldtom]

The tory propaganda machine has recently centred once again on Jeremy Corbyn and the 'Jewish issue' they claim is a major problem within the Labour party and is all the fault of JC himself.



Perhaps it's time to look again at some of the material that May and her cronies have been responsible for over recent time just to be sure there isn't any hypocrisy on their part. Rather than list a collection of utterances from the plutocracy masquerading as the British government, I shall link to 'The Canary', as in that time-saving TV manner, 'Here's one I made earlier'.

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/03/29/if-theresa-may-like-corbyn-is-now-responsible-for-everything-her-supporters-write-on-facebook-the-tories-are-screwed/

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Thatcher was known as 'the school milk thief' but May is worse - her plans in regard to school dinners eclipses Thatcher's work by a huge magnitude:



Some kids will fall prey to horrible diseases and some will die as a direct result of the enactment of this vindictive policy of removing every last twig and branch of socialism in the UK. It is sheer dogma!

Tom

 

[flecc]

What could 500 people have witnessed?

The news on TV and the product of their active imaginations.
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[oyster]

What could 500 people have witnessed?

Witness could mean "I was at <location> and did not see <xxx>." It might be an important component of the evidence when used to build up a complete picture.

 

[Zlatan]

Zlatan, there are quite a few areas where we agree with each other and there are some things upon which our opinions differ. I’m pleased that we always remain polite and respectful when communicating.

Like flecc, I have voted Labour and Conservative. Unlike flecc, I have also voted UKIP and maybe even LibDem. At the last election, I don’t think I voted because it’s reached a point where I despise them all. In a politician, honesty, integrity and a passionate belief in what they stand for, even if that belief doesn’t appeal to me, is what I find impressive. That’s why I quite like Corbyn. He passionately believes in something, but even though he knows it is likely to be at odds with popular thinking, he still says what he believes in. If they all had the balls to do that instead of constantly flip-flopping back and forth with no sincerity & trying to tap into votes, we might get proper governance and debate.

I hate Teresa May, she is despicable. Teresa May is massively incompetent and has inflicted huge amounts of irreparable damage on the police service. Just about every change she made, new initiative she introduced, and cut administered during her time as HS has back-fired and failed, leaving the public more vulnerable & the police less effective. Her latest triumph is the farce over police bail and the release of thousands of dangerous suspects into the community with absolutely no control. She was warned from a diverse range of sources that this would happen and it has now happened. She has a pathological inability to listen to advice and I’m quite sure she perceives taking advice as a weakness which makes her appear less Thatcheresque. I hate the monotony of the same boring meaningless strap-lines she constantly repeats, “best possible deal” “what’s best for this country “. What the hell does that mean? As far as I am concerned, nothing is off the table if it removes the dangerous, evil, self-centred bitch from having any influence over the general public.

Next, I suspect we shall have to witness the destruction of GKN, plus the irreplaceable loss of skills, jobs and technology. All so that the Conservatives wealthy friends can add to their piles of stinking filthy cash. Theresa May and her husband will be cheering them on, hoping for a free meal.

Cant argue with any of that apart from around Corbyn, he seems a very sincere thoughtfull bloke but I don't see that as enough to be PM. His defence policy, ethos IMHO prevents him being pm. His party is in complete disarray and even if we discount 50% of that to media exploitation to promote right wing , it still leaves lots of " strategic" mistakes. Associating himself with the extreme left, Russia, anti Semitic events, his sacking of Ms Champion are all at odds with what country needs.( or probably more accurately wants)
We are being offered either end of the spectrum. I,m not a May fan at all but ,again IMO, she has handled recent events well. Credit where credit due. She has increased her popularity at a time she could have destroyed it.
Corbyn or May ? Sorry I,d take May every time. ( I don't know any of them well enough to hate) To be fair she showed more bottle than rest of party put together when Brexit won vote and lots disappeared.
Labour should shut Blair up, appoint a more moderate left of centre mp as leader and keep Corbyn as deputy. (Yep, if OG wants to call it a pink Tory that's fine,, its what country is crying out for. Look at France / Macron)
But who for here. Cometh the hour ? Nobody stands up ?

Whilst I,m here...
Think we should cut authorities some slack over reporting how ill victims are. Health authorities will be prioritising their recovery, police will have dual role of carrying out investigation and protecting them from further attacks. They are probably going to be only ones capable of offering logistics of situation. Keeping everyone in dark about their condition may well be best for everyone and a sensible strategy. The young lady might well have been supplying information for a week. Do we really need to know. Let them get on with doing their jobs. All of them.

 

[oldtom]

Many who have read of Trump's fondness for Rosanne Barr might be surprised to know that the real reason he likes her is this:



Rosanne Barr did this photo shoot where she ate "burnt Jew" cookies while sporting a swastika and a Hitler mustache. Now you know why Trump loves her: She's an avowed racist. They're a perfect match.

Remember too that Farage and most of the fascist crew sailing HMS UK towards the rocks have all expressed their fondness for Trump and his politics. Know your enemy!

Tom

 

[Zlatan]

Can we ask moderators for another emoji. One that says " raving mad post".

 

[oldtom]

Can we ask moderators for another emoji. One that says " raving mad post".

Tom

 

[Zlatan]

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Tom

I guess that's your pc Tom ? Its a BBC model B isn't it ? From that era, plenty of relics in your house ??

BTW
On the May issue.I dont hate her at all but do think she,s done a couple of hateful things. There Is a massive difference. I sure as hell wouldn't want her job ever, but especially so at moment.