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oldgroaner

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Oh, yes ofcourse , I gave you this deadly poison ( 8 times as lethal as Sarin) just to incapacitate you...for rest of your life mind...
That's like whacking someone over head with a baseball bat and being surprised if it kills them. Dont be stupid OGski.
Then why didn't it work?
Sometimes you surprise me with how little thinking goes on in your head.

Let's see now 8 times more lethal than Sarin you say?
It should then have killed instantly all in contact.
It didn't.

Whacking someone over the head with a baseball bat would have been far cheaper and very likely given the same (or more lethal) result.



You really are easily convinced when things agree with your prejudices and pay no attention at all to the obvious do you


Of course for the best result get Putin to handle it first, to leave DNA traces and accidentally leave it at the source of the crime.

Try reading this link,http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html

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Then why didn't it work?
Sometimes you surprise me with how little thinking goes on in your head.

Let's see now 8 times more lethal than Sarin you say?
It should then have killed instantly all in contact.
It didn't.

Whacking someone over the head with a baseball bat would have been far cheaper and very likely given the same (or more lethal) result.



You really are easily convinced when things agree with your prejudices and pay no attention at all to the obvious do you


Of course for the best result get Putin to handle it first, to leave DNA traces and accidentally leave it at the source of the crime.

Try reading this link,http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html

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It did work and can we have a name for that highlight of literature that basically claims the entire episode is work of May ? Utter rubbish. You will believe anything. Ask Frankie Boyle I bet he knows more than anyone.

Putin won his election and is a hero for standing up to us and rest of countries who have withdrawn / expelled diplomats. Send the link to Macron, Tusk, Trump etc etc etc. They won't have read it either, but for a reason. Its utter BS..
And now you,ve accepted there was a Public Inquiry into Litvinenco murder how come you,d rather believe utter rubbish than an an independent report. Down load the Litvinenco PI and read it all. Then stop posting spurious links from extreme left fanatics.
Your BS report even calls episode an " alledged poisoning"...No , it was a poisoning....definitely. Or has episode not even happened. Like they didn't even land on moon. You really love a conspiracy theory OGski.
Just answer this
If May and her compatriots are so useless how on earth can they organise this entire episode, hoodwink millions of people, including Macron, Tusk and goodness knows who else, keep it all quiet...and then are stupid enough to blame the most powerful man on earth. If this was organised as a distraction you would not poke the bear. I know I,ll blame the school bully..yes sure OGski. You are thicker than even I thought.
You couldn't have read that entire link before posting,nobody in their right mind would do so having read it..oh hang on...you probably did.
Read the Lutvinenco PI. Its rather more objective...and longer.

Changing subject...
Ii suppose all those kicking a fuss up about Labour/ Corbyn are Daily Mail readers and misinformed through propoganda...And Aussies weren,t cheating...well uts not proven is it...

For OGski

Here are the main findings from Sir Robert Owen's long-awaited 300-page report following the public inquiry into the 2006 murder of Litvinenco.

His murder was 'probably' approved by President Vladimir Putin
Russian President Vladimir Putin, right, accompanied by Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev in 2015Image copyright Getty Images
"Taking full account of all the evidence and analysis available to me, I find that the FSB operation to kill Litvinenko was probably approved by Mr Patrushev and also by President Putin," Sir Robert wrote.

This is the most significant statement to come out of the report, says the BBC's Richard Galpin.

Nikolai Patrushev was head of Russia's main intelligence agency, FSB, at the time of the murder and very close to Mr Putin.



He was poisoned in the Pine Bar of London's Millennium Hotel
Taxi outside Millennium HotelImage copyright AP
Mr Litvinenko died from acute radiation syndrome on 23 November 2006, three weeks after drinking tea containing polonium-210 in the hotel bar in central London.

He was deliberately poisoned by Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun
Andrei Lugovoi, left, and Dmitry KovtunImage copyright EPA
For many years, they have been the two chief suspects. Mr Lugovoi had been in the FSB and the federal protection service, and continued to have strong links to the FSB.

The Russian pair had tried to poison Mr Litvinenko almost a month earlier at a London office of multinational security company, Erinys, the report said.

They knew they were using a deadly poison, but did not know precisely which chemical, it went on.

Both deny killing Mr Litvinenko. They are wanted in the UK for questioning, but Russia has refused to extradite them.


The poisoning probably took place under the direction of the FSB

Sir Robert said there was a strong probability that Mr Lugovoi poisoned Mr Litvinenko under the direction of Moscow's FSB intelligence service.

Mr Kovtun was also acting under FSB direction, possibly indirectly through Mr Lugovoi but probably to his knowledge.

The use of polonium-210 was "at the very least a strong indicator of state involvement".

Motives included Mr Litvinenko's work and criticism of Russia
Alexander Litvinenko, author of the book "Blowing Up Russia: Terror From Within"Image copyright AP
Possible motives were Mr Litvinenko's work for British intelligence agencies, his criticism of Mr Putin and the FSB and his association with other Russian dissidents, the report said.

There was "undoubtedly a personal dimension to the antagonism" between Mr Putin and Mr Litvinenko, Sir Robert said.

"I am satisfied that in general terms, members of the Putin administration, including the president himself and the FSB, had motives for taking action against Litvinenko, including killing him, in late 2006."

The inquiry heard evidence that Mr Litvinenko may have been consigned to a slow death from radiation to "send a message"

There are similarities between this case and the Salisbury poisoning.( sorry alledged)

Seems many would rather believe rubbish posted by fanatics.

And just announced.NATO getting it wrong aswell.?
"The Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, said the permanent size of the Russian mission would be cut from 30 to 20 people, adding the announcement was “a clear and very strong message that that there was a cost to Russia’s reckless actions” in poisoning the Russian double agent Sergei Skripal in Salisbury earlier this month."

Why on earth didn't they consult OG and Flecc first.
 
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With respect how do you know the intention was to Murder not Maim?
That is an assumption
For all we know the strength of the Nerve Agent operated as it was intended to
Of course i don't know .. if i knew i would have been the perpetrator. But there is a high probability. Was it also designed to main the policeman?
 

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It did work and can we have a name for that highlight of literature that basically claims the entire episode is work of May ? Utter rubbish. You will believe anything. Ask Frankie Boyle I bet he knows more than anyone.

Why on earth didn't they consult OG and Flecc first.
They would have been given sound advice to stick to the agreed protocols from both of us, not act like a complete pillock and set off Cold War Mark 2 over atrocities less dire than the ones this country commits as if it has a holy licence to kill.

You get wierder, now you are quoting the things I quoted TO you back at me?

I am impressed with just how Naive you are about how the World works.

Here you are Claiming we have the high ground in this affair because Putin ALLEGEDLY kills off Russians who hate him and had a shall we say not unblemished career back home before leaving, and you side with a woman who utterly discards the Geneva Convention to ACTUALLY order and commit Murder by Drone from the Air?
And her underlings clamour for more?
This is not Civilised Behaviour.

From the Guardian
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May defends use of drones to kill British terrorists overseas
PM responds to security committee report into 2015 targeted killing of Reyaad Khan, who had joined Islamic State in Syria

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Theresa May has defended the use of drone strikes against British citizens, saying the killing of Islamic State’s Reyaad Khan in 2015 was “necessary and proportionate” and that she would authorise such strikes in the future.

The prime minister said there had been no alternative to the killing of Khan in a precision airstrike in Syria because “a direct and imminent threat was identified by the intelligence agencies”. There was “a clear legal basis for action in international law”, she added.

May was responding to the publication on Wednesday of a series of reports on counter-terrorism, cyber-security and other intelligence issues.

The legality of drone strikes against a country’s own citizens is controversial both in the UK and the US. The UK defence secretary, Gavin Williamson, in an interview with the Daily Mail in November, said Britons who have fought for Islamic State abroad should be hunted down and killed to ensure they never returned to the UK..

Note the similarity of this to Blair and Bush's WMD lies

"here was “a clear legal basis for action in international law”, she added."
No there wasn't.
Murder isn't legal anywhere without trial.

Have you no moral thoughts in your head? and you applaud the rash acts of this loony woman?
Why is there one rule for Putin and entirely another for TM?
If they commit atrocities they should both be on trial for them.

Sorry Zlatan, but you are being a complete ass.
 
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Sorry, thanks for the correction
Ditto it is, you are being an Ass AGAIN
I nearly missed your latest lie so for the record

I never said there was no Inquiry into the Litvinenko case
This is another of your Fake attributions of things that I never said
Why do you keep telling lies like this?

Why would I have said "I haven't read it" if I thought that one didn't exist?
 
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If Uk/ May and myself are so wrong please explain why 23 countries plus NATO have come out in support of stance taken and backed that up by making same stance , expelling a total of 113 diplomats and a further 10 NATO personnel.

Tom where was the bad language ??? Oh ofcourse I said something positive about the bitch. ( your word not mine)

All those countries have been misled by our propoganda machine and actually we all know May organised the poisoning...OG posted a link saying so. What a load of bo!!ox..

I wonder how much international support Corbyn would have got ? Zilch I reckon. Nothing. We,d be on our own now.
 
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How do you identify an internet troll? Wiki provides a definition -

In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.

It has gradually come to be recognised as a criminal matter, sufficient to attract a prison sentence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29678989

So, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it very probably is a duck!

Tom
 

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So, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it very probably is a duck!

Well said Tom. Narrows it down to Putin.


Cant you come up with something new..resorting to troll when you,ve lost the argument is getting a bit boring now.

And BTW Tom, next time you post a link takes the trouble to read it first. Your own link defines a troll as
"someone using threats of some kind or threatening to harm others , this is extreme and crosses the line of personal opinion into criminal behaviour."
 
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All those countries have been misled by our propoganda machine and actually we all know May organised the poisoning...OG posted a link saying so. What a load of bo!!ox..
I posted the link , for your information , there were some parts that could perhaps have made you think, as well as some utter tripe.
Alas you seem unable to concentrate long enough to sort the Wheat from the Chaff.
 
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All those countries have been misled by our propoganda machine
TM has shown them her dossier on Putin's WMD.
They don't need more proof. They have their own dossiers of Mr Putin's misdeeds so it's payback time.
 
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I posted the link , for your information , there were some parts that could perhaps have made you think, as well as some utter tripe.
Alas you seem unable to concentrate long enough to sort the Wheat from the Chaff.
Do you mean the link with no reference of who made it, the one making crazy claim May organised the poisoning; the one talking utter bu!! **..The one that marks you as a fool for believing it. Tom's links are bad enough, that one was plain stupid..cant imagine why it was anonymous..But well done, it ruined your premise in an instant. ( well in time folk wasted reading the damn thing, it was worthless)
 
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Cant you come up with something new..resorting to troll when you,ve lost the argument is getting a bit boring now.
At last! we have a Confession!
Well done indeed!
But remember: Self Praise is no Flattery

I don't regard you as a Troll , but you do suffer from a wild imagination at times, and once an idea has entered your head it cant find the Emergency Exit even if your Brain catches Fire.

To misquote Aneurin Bevan
"I enjoy reading the newspapers and your contributions, they are a great source of continuous Fiction"

And another of his pertinent today
"The Prime Minister has an absolute genius for putting flamboyant labels on empty luggage. "

Aneurin Bevan
 

oldgroaner

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TM has shown them her dossier on Putin's WMD.
They don't need more proof. They have their own dossiers of Mr Putin's misdeeds so it's payback time.
So they have dispensed with proof and are acting on Probability.
Fair enough a choice has been made, rightly or Wrongly.
A case of "Blaming the Usual Culprit"
 
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Zlatan

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TM has shown them her dossier on Putin's WMD.
They don't need more proof. They have their own dossiers of Mr Putin's misdeeds so it's payback time.
Actually Putin's speech in early March was very worrying. He claimed they had introduced a new MIRV which can not be intercepted.( MIRV was supposedly outlawed) His statement included " the west would not listen, they will now"
Each Satan 2( west name) carries 15 seperately targetable cruise missile type warheads capable of veering onto target and out witting interception. The warheads are 400 times the power used on Hiroshima. USA are talking of 1.7 trillion dollars investment to regain parity. Perhaps all propoganda, from both sides. Perhaps timing a coincidence. But perhaps not. Frightening times.
 

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So they have dispensed with proof and are acting on Probability.
Fair enough a choice has been made, rightly or Wrongly.
A case of "Blaming the Usual Culprit"
Blaming the person with the same modus operandi?? Read the PI OG.( on Litvinenco )
They will never get proof. Like Tom and Tommie told us..." If it quacks luke a duck???"
 
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His statement included " the west would not listen, they will now"
he is an idiot, spending money on more weapons.
the future of Russia is to join the EU.
 

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Do you mean the link with no reference of who made it, the one making crazy claim May organised the poisoning; the one talking utter bu!! **..The one that marks you as a fool for believing it. Tom's links are bad enough, that one was plain stupid..cant imagine why it was anonymous..But well done, it ruined your premise in an instant. ( well in time folk wasted reading the damn thing, it was worthless)
In case anyone missed the link here it is again
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html


Once again your imagination has decided I believed it ,yet I said no such thing

It was posted before and is now for information purposes for people with the ability to judge the content and make their own minds up not rely on a preset attitude , something beyond your ability.
 
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