Brexit, for once some facts.

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Putin does not do Russia much of a favour trying to weaken the EU.
 

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"U.K. Brexit negotiators are developing a plan to solve the Irish border issue by keeping the whole of the U.K. aligned with a subset of the EU’s single market rules, according to British officials."

Let's just wait until you see JRM's wet fish face on TV again.
Which is why the chief civil servant dealing with that topic has moved over to the personal staff of one of your royals...
 
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Indeed, this strengthens his position in Russia, reinforcing as it does his claim that Russia is surrounded by enemies.
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There is an interesting essay in the current issue of Time. Basically saying that Putin is an excellent tactican but a poor strategist..
 
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Given our history of lives lost in horrific fires in public venues. I suppose Putin could now blame the UK for the Siberian fire as retaliation.

He could claim arson on the basis that the fire was "of a type well known to Britain".
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Given our history of lives lost in horrific fires in public venues. I suppose Putin could now blame the UK for the Siberian fire as retaliation.

He could claim arson on the basis that the fire was "of a type well known to Britain".
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Yes, he could, especially so if they found the accelerant used had been made in UK and 2 British spies had been killed in fire and if we,d done it before.( or very similar)
But anyone who simply discredits a public inquiry on subject is hardly going to be objective.
 

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Yes, he could, especially so if they found the accelerant used had been made in UK and 2 British spies had been killed in fire and if we,d done it before.( or very similar)
But anyone who simply discredits a public enquiry on subject is hardly going to be objective.
I was joking of course. But where objectivity is concerned the UK's leap to judgement over Salisbury falls a long way short.
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And forumites...

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"Does the UK’s case against Russia stack up?"

Excellent report on " Fact Check" Gives both sides of argument..
Its a lengthy report but worth reading..
I wonder what info there is we aren't privvy to...
Something Mythical, I believe it's called "TRUTH"
 
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In the Sun today
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VLADIMIR PUTIN was today hit with a wave of Western defiance as Britain's allies kicked out more than 100 diplomats in a show of solidarity after the Sergei Skripal poisoning.??

Donald Trump led the response from more than a dozen of the UK's closest allies after the Kremlin tried to kill an ex-spy on the streets of Salisbury."

Surprisingly this is getting very negative reader's comments in the majority of them so the question is
  1. Are the comments genuine and people aren't falling for it?
  2. Are the staff of the Kremlin Troll factory on a bonus scheme?
Great isn't it?
The whole Poisoning affair evidence and investigation is a phony as a Nine Bob Note.

The Sun should be prosecuted for promoting racial hatred with this line
" the Kremlin tried to kill an ex-spy on the streets of Salisbury."

Prove it or apologise! why are the press free to break laws like this, yet round on Corbyn for alleged Anti Semitism to the approval of the Tory Party?
 

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Prove it or apologise! why are the press free to break laws like this
but there is no law against journalists making up stories.
They are not in Court are they?
 
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Accusations of attempted murder are rather more than "Stories"
but the person they accuse is not here to take them to Court so no recourse I am afraid.
If on the other hand, Russia becomes an EU member, they wouldn't be able to do that against Mr Putin.
 
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Yes, he could, especially so if they found the accelerant used had been made in UK and 2 British spies had been killed in fire and if we,d done it before.( or very similar)
But anyone who simply discredits a public inquiry on subject is hardly going to be objective.
In a very bitter sense, if the cladding used had been approved for use in the UK.
 

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Bexiteer logic has put us back to the days where the concept of military conflict with the European nations is once again conceivable, with so called logic like this being offered in the Express
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UK could IMMOBILISE important EU military equipment after Brexit following Brussels THREAT
A MAJOR EU security satellite could be crippled by the UK if the trade bloc attempts to block Britain from using the military device after Brexit, it has been reported."


It really is time to be shut of the Madness of Brexit once and for all.
It shows how far we have fallen to even suggest such things.
the "Goodness" will flow from Brexit?...............even military conflict?.......................
 
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His international strategy may be wanting but there's been little wrong with it in terms of internal reward.
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From business insider
"Over 150,000 Twitter accounts based in Russia tweeted about Brexit during the referendum campaign and recently over poisonings ,spreading support for Putin"

Now I wonder how many we have on here ?

And now Australia influenced by our right wing press and getting it all wrong...
"Australia backs anti-Moscow action

Russia may deny involvement in the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, but the international community's condemnation continues nonetheless. Australia is the latest country to announce it is expelling Russian diplomats, and while the number thrown out may be small - just two - the strength of the language used by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is striking and uncompromising. "We will not tolerate this reckless undermining of international law, this reckless assault on the sovereignty of nations," he declared."

And in mean time Corbyn carries on his destruction of Labour party.
Corbyn sacks his deputy and Ms Champion for speaking out yet has done nothing to stop these idiots destroying his party from within.
Labour shouldn't need to have rules to stop anti semitism.( or any ism or prejudice). It should be by nature. It isn't . Labour is in worst state its ever been.
 
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oldgroaner

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From business insider
"Over 150,000 Twitter accounts based in Russia tweeted about Brexit during the referendum campaign and recently over poisonings ,spreading support for Putin"

Now I wonder how many we have on here ?
Flecski and OGski ????


And now Australia influenced by our right wing press and getting it all wrong...
"Australia backs anti-Moscow action

Russia may deny involvement in the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, but the international community's condemnation continues nonetheless. Australia is the latest country to announce it is expelling Russian diplomats, and while the number thrown out may be small - just two - the strength of the language used by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is striking and uncompromising. "We will not tolerate this reckless undermining of international law, this reckless assault on the sovereignty of nations," he declared."

And in mean time Corbyn carries on his destruction of Labour party.
Corbyn sacks his deputy and Ms Champion for speaking out yet has done nothing to stop these idiots destroying his party from within.
Labour shouldn't need to have rules to stop anti semitism.( or any ism or prejudice). It should be by nature. It isn't . Labour is in worst state its ever been.
These day's there are adult education courses that could improve your very rudimentary understanding of the Written word, and perhaps, (just perhaps)prevent you jumping to the wrong conclusion like a Moth in the darkness to a bright flame.
You do this every time.

Neither I or Flecc has said Putin was innocent, but you for some weird reason have conflated that to suit your own agenda.
Are you a Tory plant?

Here is an example of your Fake truth from the Americans
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The US State Department, however, was unequivocal in its condemnation, calling the attack an “outrageous violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention and breach of international law”.

The department said: “On 4 March, Russia used a military grade nerve agent to murder a British citizen and his daughter in Salisbury. The attack on our ally the United Kingdom put countless innocent lives at risk and resulted in serious injury to three people, including a police officer.”

So they were actually MURDERED?
The Americans as usual are strangers to the truth. or like yourself happy to leap to conclusions without truth and evidence.

And where and what has resulted from this shambles? was it worth creating Cold war 2 over?
AS for Corbyn and antisemitism, I don't actually care, the Labour Party has failed the public anyway and is irrelevant.

 
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