Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Good try OGski. Your identity is out now.

We are at least in agreement over Labour party.Lunatics taking over asylum springs to mind.

As for murdered; attempted murder ...Litvinenco was murdered, yourself and Fleccski denied findings of public inquiry. The two now are worse than dead. Probably never regain consciousness.

What was your informed comment about Litvinenco...
" I dunno "
A subject you refuse to give opinion on? That's a first. " I dunno" when an 18 month investigation states Russia was behind killing and you say " I dunno ". Quite pathetic actually.

 

[flecc]

Now I wonder how many we have on here ?
Flecski and OGski ????

I'm not in Twitter, Facebook or any other of the social media websites, nor ever will be.
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[Zlatan]

I'm not in Twitter, Facebook or any other of the social media websites, nor ever will be.
.

No, here will do..??? Spreading the word ???

 

[oldgroaner]

Good try OGski. Your identity is out now.

We are at least in agreement over Labour party.Lunatics taking over asylum springs to mind.

As for murdered; attempted murder ...Litvinenco was murdered, yourself and Fleccski denied findings of public inquiry. The two now are worse than dead. Probably never regain consciousness.

What was your informed comment about Litvinenco...
" I dunno "
A subject you refuse to give opinion on? That's a first. " I dunno" when an 18 month investigation states Russia was behind killing and you say " I dunno ". Quite pathetic actually.

Nothing to contribute as usual the Americans were not referring to Litvinenco, were they?
I said "I dunno" to Livinenco, murder because there is actually nothing about it I am interested in.
In other words we din't say Putin wasn't guilty there either did we?

I said I hadn't read the Public Enquiry, so You lied AGAIN saying I denied the result.
Quite simply i didn't ignore or deny it did I?
Yet again you fail to comprehend the written word.

By the way have you a link to the "Public Enquiry" on this latest atrocity?
Strangely an intensive search has failed to turn any information up, so far, so till then You have no actual Evidence have you?

And you are serving Theresa May's propaganda machine until you have that, making you a Tory Stooge.

 

[oldgroaner]

No, here will do..??? Spreading the word ???

Words which apparently you fail to comprehend.

 

[Zlatan]

Nothing to contribute as usual the Americans were not referring to Litvinenco, were they?
I said "I dunno" to Livinenco, murder because there is actually nothing about it I am interested in.
In other words we din't say Putin wasn't guilty there either did we?

I said I hadn't read the Public Enquiry, so You lied AGAIN saying I denied the result.
Quite simply i didn't ignore or deny it did I?
Yet again you fail to comprehend the written word.

By the way have you a link to the "Public Enquiry" on this latest atrocity?
Strangely an intensive search has failed to turn any information up, so far, so till then You have no actual Evidence have you?

And you are serving Theresa May's propaganda machine until you have that, making you a Tory Stooge.

That's because its a Public Inquiry...not Enquiry...
The Litvinenco Public Inquiry is freely available to all.
Spelling isn't that important but when searching it helps to spell things correctly.

 

[Zlatan]

Words which apparently you fail to comprehend.

Like Public Enquiry ? Or Russian?
And BTW OGski I never mentioned Trump, but now you mention him I think he,s doing a good job and TBH so has May. She,s shown Corbyn up and has gained popularity in her good handling of poisoning by the Russians.
Corbyn on the other hand is organising the demise of Labour party.
Its about time somebody had gumption to tackle China and its unfair stance on balance of exports/ payments.

Sort of proves you haven't read the Public Inquiry on Litvinenco ...Dunnit !
Before you start telling all and sundry we need proof about Russia's behaviour perhaps you should read Inquiry !.

 

[flecc]

No, here will do..??? Spreading the word ???

Now you are just being insulting. Your obvious phobic hatred of anything ever connected to slightly left of the centre of politics makes you incapable of a balanced and fair judgement. You've just shown that again by posting about the Russian and Corbyn issues in a single post, two things that have no connection beyond past and present left wing politics.
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[oldgroaner]

That's because its a Public Inquiry...not Enquiry...
The Litvinenco Public Inquiry is freely available to all.
Spelling isn't that important but when searching it helps to spell things correctly.

It doesn't matter as Google will autocorrect and there hasn't been one, has there?

 

[oldgroaner]

"And BTW OGski I never mentioned Trump, but now you mention him I think he,s doing a good job and TBH so has May. She,s shown Corbyn up and has gained popularity in her good handling of poisoning by the Russians."

As usual misquoting me: I didn't mention Trump did I?
But since you have, I must agree his use of this handy Smokescreen of indignation is a Godsend to cover up the story of his involvement with the Russians.
He can look tough to the gullible individuals (and the NRA) who voted for him

Why it's almost as handy as it is to Mrs May to cover up the Debacle and defeat of Brexit, till the latest Propaganda has taken over the headlines.

And by the by Corbyn showed her up and you would have us believe you too, since you fell for it hook line and sinker.

"Sort of proves you haven't read the Public Inquiry on Litvinenco ...Dunnit !"

Still unable to read?
I had already stated that so you proved nothing, did you?

I am quite prepared to believe Putin is Guilty, but only an idiot would do two things

1. Make a judgement without proof
2. Believe anything TM says, EVER.

So I have to assume that as you aren't an idiot, you are Joking!

Well done! great humour!

 

[Zlatan]

Removed by admin - Only part of it was reported, but I think just inflammatory, not constructive, so all removed. Please be respectful when putting across different points of view.

 

[flecc]

Yes ofcourse Comrade OGski there has never been a Public Inquiry into Litvinenco murder.That really is a bewildering statement even from you. Un fecking believable...

And some more propoganda from Comrade Fleccski . Brilliant.
We just need Tom now to post something about Frankie Boyle knowing best.
Secretly Tom actually thinks you two are talking ball cocks, if he didn't he,d have waded in with his troll comments.. But we know who the real trolls are now...or is it trollskis. Or just plain Bolsheviks I suppose.

I've reported this post to the administrators. I've no objection to your right to argue a point, but you have no right to distort my online name to misrepresent me.

I have no Russian connections whatsoever, nor have I ever had.

If you have the slightest shred of decency you will apologise.
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[oldtom]

These day's there are adult education courses that could improve your very rudimentary understanding of the Written word, and perhaps, (just perhaps)prevent you jumping to the wrong conclusion like a Moth in the darkness to a bright flame.
You do this every time.

OG, undoubtedly you are a very patient man but may I just remind you about the folly of engaging with internet trolls.

The well-known boxer, David Haye, had this to say on the subject:


In short......




Tom

 

[oldtom]

I'm not in Twitter, Facebook or any other of the social media websites, nor ever will be.
.

Knowing now how social media operates and how it has become manipulated by various institutions, groups and individuals, I'd say you aren't missing much by eschewing those websites 'flecc'.



Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

Yes ofcourse Comrade OGski there has never been a Public Inquiry into Litvinenco murder.That really is a bewildering statement even from you. Un fecking believable...

You are becoming seriously confused, do try to concentrate.
Why are you now saying there never was a Public inquiry into the Litvinenco murder?
You are losing the plot once again

I DIDNT say that there hadn't been an inquiry into the Litenenenco murder

I told you I hadn't READ IT, now to any normal person that means I accept that there was one.

Try to understand before one of us dies.

The Inquiry I enquired about was concerned with the recent Salisbury Attack and as yet no details are available.

I have since you have wittered on about the litvinenko inquiry been reading some of the papers and an interesting fact emerges
the Coroner kept pushing for one and the Secretary of State kept refusing,plus
"22 May 2007
that a decision had been taken to prosecute Mr Lugovoy
for the murder of Mr Litvinenko and a warrant was issued for his arrest.
Now what is interesting in this case is this
"
Professor Service’s view on this issue is that Mr Patrushev probably would have told
President Putin about such an operation, but that the evidence available to him in relation to this issue is so lacking that he regards the answer to be, at least at present, unprovable

So even then we have only circumstantial evidence against Putin, but two actual culprits who worked with,for or reported to him.
Fair enough,the Probability is high it was on Putin's say so.
Now look at the present case.
No Culprit to try to arrest.
Very much an amateur attempt using materials that could have come from other sources.
So we have a probable culprit in Putin at the very best
We don't have nearly as strong a case on the face of it (except for your dislike of course)
Not worth bring back the cold war over, is it?

 

[oldgroaner]

OG, undoubtedly you are a very patient man but may I just remind you about the folly of engaging with internet trolls.

The well-known boxer, David Haye, had this to say on the subject:
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In short......

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Tom

I do it in the spirit of
"While I engage in debate with the Terminally confused
It keeps them occupied and stops them from stepping out into passing traffic."

 

[Danidl]

These day's there are adult education courses that could improve your very rudimentary understanding of the Written word, and perhaps, (just perhaps)prevent you jumping to the wrong conclusion like a Moth in the darkness to a bright flame.
You do this every time.

Neither I or Flecc has said Putin was innocent, but you for some weird reason have conflated that to suit your own agenda.
Are you a Tory plant?

Here is an example of your Fake truth from the Americans
"
The US State Department, however, was unequivocal in its condemnation, calling the attack an “outrageous violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention and breach of international law”.

The department said: “On 4 March, Russia used a military grade nerve agent to murder a British citizen and his daughter in Salisbury. The attack on our ally the United Kingdom put countless innocent lives at risk and resulted in serious injury to three people, including a police officer.”

So they were actually MURDERED?
The Americans as usual are strangers to the truth. or like yourself happy to leap to conclusions without truth and evidence.

And where and what has resulted from this shambles? was it worth creating Cold war 2 over?
AS for Corbyn and antisemitism, I don't actually care, the Labour Party has failed the public anyway and is irrelevant.

I would accept the us statement as accurate in respect to the use of the verb "to murder. " That they ,the agent who attempted it failed was not presumably due to lack of intent.
The other point as to who the agent was is slightly more problematic. Russian state actors were involved, either in the commission of the act or in the ommission of adaquate safeguards with the chemicals involved.

 

[oldgroaner]

I would accept the us statement as accurate in respect to the use of the verb "to murder. " That they ,the agent who attempted it failed was not presumably due to lack of intent.
The other point as to who the agent was is slightly more problematic. Russian state actors were involved, either in the commission of the act or in the ommission of adaquate safeguards with the chemicals involved.

With respect how do you know the intention was to Murder not Maim?
That is an assumption
For all we know the strength of the Nerve Agent operated as it was intended to

 

[Zlatan]

You are becoming seriously confused, do try to concentrate.
Why are you now saying there never was a Public inquiry into the Litvinenco murder?
You are losing the plot once again

I DIDNT say that there hadn't been an inquiry into the Litenenenco murder

I told you I hadn't READ IT, now to any normal person that means I accept that there was one.

Try to understand before one of us dies.

The Inquiry I enquired about was concerned with the recent Salisbury Attack and as yet no details are available.

I have since you have wittered on about the litvinenko inquiry been reading some of the papers and an interesting fact emerges
the Coroner kept pushing for one and the Secretary of State kept refusing,plus
"22 May 2007
that a decision had been taken to prosecute Mr Lugovoy
for the murder of Mr Litvinenko and a warrant was issued for his arrest.
Now what is interesting in this case is this
"
Professor Service’s view on this issue is that Mr Patrushev probably would have told
President Putin about such an operation, but that the evidence available to him in relation to this issue is so lacking that he regards the answer to be, at least at present, unprovable

So even then we have only circumstantial evidence against Putin, but two actual culprits who worked with,for or reported to him.
Fair enough,the Probability is high it was on Putin's say so.
Now look at the present case.
No Culprit to try to arrest.
Very much an amateur attempt using materials that could have come from other sources.
So we have a probable culprit in Putin at the very best
We don't have nearly as strong a case on the face of it (except for your dislike of course)
Not worth bring back the cold war over, is it?

If you care to look back and examine exactly what I said with regards to Putin you,ll find it was
" I think it was Putin" I then modified that statement with
" we are allowed luxury of such OPINIONS because we do not have to act on them. Yes, part of my reasoning is to do with fact the Litvinenco was attributed to Russian organisation on the PROBABLE knowledge of Putin.( by the Public Inquiry)
Failing to act has proven to be ineffective in stopping these incidents. ( There are probably as many as 14 deaths)
Expelling diplomats is a perfectly just and level response. Your criticising May ( and our government in general) for acting in a decent manner is wrong OG.
The international response is to be applauded and has probably prevented more incidents of this kind.
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[Zlatan]

With respect how do you know the intention was to Murder not Maim?
That is an assumption
For all we know the strength of the Nerve Agent operated as it was intended to

Oh, yes ofcourse , I gave you this deadly poison ( 8 times as lethal as Sarin) just to incapacitate you...for rest of your life mind...
That's like whacking someone over head with a baseball bat and being surprised if it kills them. Dont be stupid OGski.