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another effect is the birth rate. After the Vietnam war ended (1975), Vietnamese birth rate was very high (6% compared to UK 1.8%). It's normal that mothers and children make up the majority of patients. Here we have the opposite.
Birth rate in Vietnam now decends to similar level like ours, 2%.
Life expectancy has also increased in the same period, from 60 years to 76 years.
Growth rate (and wages) averages 6% a year over the same period.
That goes to show that combining capitalism + communism works.
 
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For your own sake Zlatan, please consider carefully the options if the cataract operation is necessary. This is one area where the NHS has long been failing, their methods many years behind the times.

Basically for cost and convenience reasons they will only plan for one eye at a time, and that eye is given a standard focus lens. In other words middling, not particularly good at long distance and hopeless for reading. The lenses are fixed focus of course, unlike the variable focus original that we are born with.

When eventually you need the other eye treated, the same happens and you are stuck with reading glasses since all your closer vision is very limited. If you are very unlucky, like my brother, their cataract treatments will leave you needing glasses for both close and distant vision!

Being aware of this I chose to go private when my cataracts were advancing, meaning my treatment for both eyes could be planned at one time. That enabled me to have a system called Monovision.

That enabled the first treatment of the worst cataract to have a lens biased the way that eye was best, in my case it was the left eye for excellent long vision. Then later when the right eye was treated, the lens was chosen for a shorter vision, still just able to pass the easy UK number plate test but biased for very much shorter range.

The outcome is that I dont need glasses at all and my all round eyesight is actually better than when I was young. The long distance vision is excellent and I can not only read normally but even cope with small print. When tested after both eyes were dealt with I was handed a five section chart of ever smaller print paragraphs and asked to read from the lowest one to see how far up I could go. I didn't bother, just jumped straight to the top paragraph of the tiniest print and read it out at full arms length away.

In any investigation you may discover that replacement variable lenses have been created now. However I was strongly advised to avoid them since the failure rate is high and failure means a repeated operation. A cataract operation has a roughly 1 in 1000 chance of blindness occurring in the eye, and the odds on that happening are greatly shortened for a repeated operation. That's why there are very few doing them.

My operation cost in 2013 and 2014 totalled near to £5000, well worth it for the outcome.

The first eye cost £2200, but because the planning was for two eyes, there was a discount for bulk on the second eye at £1950. There was a charge of £90 for the precise scanning of both eyes to exactly determine their natural focus, plus two long consultations with the specialist consultant at £200 each. These were mainly to determine my exact requirements at each stage.
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one indication is the number of doctors per 1000 inhabitants.
UN stats in 2008 shows UK 2.8 doctors per 1000 inhabitants, Vietnam 1.26 (that number was 0.24 in 1980), China 1.94.
That shows the staggering improvement in public health provision.
Of course most wealthy Vietnamese have access to private healthcare.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS

Streets in Hanoi and HCM are full of shops providing cosmetic dentistry works.
One snag with health care is that we really do live in a kind of post truth post modern time where one often has to find one's own way. I suffer from pulmonary psoriasis, as does a friend who is on expensive private medical aid in florida. My quite competent and relatively caring NHS gp diagnosed it accurately, immediately and referred me to a dermatologist who saw me for five minutes, confirmed the diagnosis and offered a follow up that's been repeatedly put off for a year now. In other words, the NHS did nothing. It forced me to turn to alternative Chinese medicine, which sort of worked. My friend had the usual regime (cortisone and once that didn't work immunosuppresants - a drug called tacrolimus which, taken systemically, is highly carcinogenic and only control symptoms without offering cure). In my case living in China would have been better
 

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That is an interesting idea, sadly it fails to reflect that Fact that Conservatism is the ultimate Expression of Humanities purest emotion.

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I went round the houses citing China and Vietnam just to illustrate how your view of the conservatives is over-simplified.
In a way, I have as much sympathy for Kenneth Clarke, John Major as for Tony Blair. They are a bit of rebels in their own party.
Political parties must win over the taxpayers in order to win election.
If Corbyn's last manifesto was more credible, he would have won outright.
 
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Is that really the best you can come up with?
My answer was accurate, your response was nonsense
I think you are looking back to a bygone time with romantically clouded vision. My point was that those days are over, the world has moved on, the U.K. in particular has changed with a massively swollen population compared to 1945. This has broken the whole infrastructure, schools, health care, welfare system, it’s all broken under the pressure of numbers. There is no way back, there are too many people and with slappers up and down the country squeezing out more and more future claimants in buckling NHS Maternity Wards, the deterioration can only accelerate, not reverse.

There will be food riots on the streets within 50 years.
 
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For your own sake Zlatan, please consider carefully the options if the cataract operation is necessary. This is one area where the NHS has long been failing, their methods many years behind the times.

Basically for cost and convenience reasons they will only plan for one eye at a time, and that eye is given a standard focus lens. In other words middling, not particularly good at long distance and hopeless for reading. The lenses are fixed focus of course, unlike the variable focus original that we are born with.

When eventually you need the other eye treated, the same happens and you are stuck with reading glasses since all your closer vision is very limited. If you are very unlucky, like my brother, their cataract treatments will leave you needing glasses for both close and distant vision!

Being aware of this I chose to go private when my cataracts were advancing, meaning my treatment for both eyes could be planned at one time. That enabled me to have a system called Monovision.

That enabled the first treatment of the worst cataract to have a lens biased the way that eye was best, in my case it was the left eye for excellent long vision. Then later when the right eye was treated, the lens was chosen for a shorter vision, still just able to pass the easy UK number plate test but biased for very much shorter range.

The outcome is that I dont need glasses at all and my all round eyesight is actually better than when I was young. The long distance vision is excellent and I can not only read normally but even cope with small print. When tested after both eyes were dealt with I was handed a five section chart of ever smaller print paragraphs and asked to read from the lowest one to see how far up I could go. I didn't bother, just jumped straight to the top paragraph of the tiniest print and read it out at full arms length away.

In any investigation you may discover that replacement variable lenses have been created now. However I was strongly advised to avoid them since the failure rate is high and failure means a repeated operation. A cataract operation has a roughly 1 in 1000 chance of blindness occurring in the eye, and the odds on that happening are greatly shortened for a repeated operation. That's why there are very few doing them.

My operation cost in 2013 and 2014 totalled near to £5000, well worth it for the outcome.

The first eye cost £2200, but because the planning was for two eyes, there was a discount for bulk on the second eye at £1950. There was a charge of £90 for the precise scanning of both eyes to exactly determine their natural focus, plus two long consultations with the specialist consultant at £200 each. These were mainly to determine my exact requirements at each stage.
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Thanks Flecc...I,m actually considering private. Discussed exactly your points with consultant last visit..Hence why it was might have operation.
Spent too much time in high uv conditions...To be fair they aren't that bad, borderline on NHS. But thanks all same.
 

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1945 is ancient history and I doubt very much it was as pleasant as you make out.
Any good times and philanthropy on part of government could easily be explained away with both the euphoria of the war ending and the not inconsiderable sums of money coming our way with the Marshall plan. Imagine the votes May could guarantee with such a sum at her disposal.
And times have moved on...the old die hard labour voter now drives an Audi and believes in capitalism with his/ her inheritance invested on stock market,If labour does not take similar action to Macron they will never get in power and if by some act of fate they do their current policies will be a disaster.
And by the way OG the government you speak of so admirably was instrumental with establishing Israel in Palestine, setting in motion a century of problems. It wasn't the only blunder they made, we,ve already discussed the others,your memory seems to be getting like mine.
 
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I think you are looking back to a bygone time with romantically clouded vision. My point was that those days are over, the world has moved on, the U.K. in particular has changed with a massively swollen population compared to 1945. This has broken the whole infrastructure, schools, health care, welfare system, it’s all broken under the pressure of numbers. There is no way back, there are too many people and with slappers up and down the country squeezing out more and more future claimants in buckling NHS Maternity Wards, the deterioration can only accelerate, not reverse.

There will be food riots on the streets within 50 years.
It is those "future claimants. " who will be paying your pension... It is utterly incorrect to assume that your savings pay for your pension, it is the work done by the future working class which does so. Your savings ...and mine are merely promises or IOU s and a hope that a future generation will look fondly on us.

The world is only one harvest away ,six months, from mass starvation , a country only a month away from mass disease, if the sewage and waste disposal were closed , and city a week away from chaos from an electricity shutdown...
 

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It is those "future claimants. " who will be paying your pension... It is utterly incorrect to assume that your savings pay for your pension, it is the work done by the future working class which does so. Your savings ...and mine are merely promises or IOU s and a hope that a future generation will look fondly on us.
Some will, some won’t. At present, the state sponsored breading programme is probably churning out more won’ts than wills. It would be handy if we could put something in the water in certain areas to halt production. I think the present manifestation of a Labour government sees it as its duty to take the IOUs that you speak of, rip them up, and give the spoils to “disadvantaged” which is Labour speak for the idle.
 
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For your own sake Zlatan, please consider carefully the options if the cataract operation is necessary. This is one area where the NHS has long been failing, their methods many years behind the times.

Basically for cost and convenience reasons they will only plan for one eye at a time, and that eye is given a standard focus lens. In other words middling, not particularly good at long distance and hopeless for reading. The lenses are fixed focus of course, unlike the variable focus original that we are born with.

When eventually you need the other eye treated, the same happens and you are stuck with reading glasses since all your closer vision is very limited. If you are very unlucky, like my brother, their cataract treatments will leave you needing glasses for both close and distant vision!

Being aware of this I chose to go private when my cataracts were advancing, meaning my treatment for both eyes could be planned at one time. That enabled me to have a system called Monovision.

That enabled the first treatment of the worst cataract to have a lens biased the way that eye was best, in my case it was the left eye for excellent long vision. Then later when the right eye was treated, the lens was chosen for a shorter vision, still just able to pass the easy UK number plate test but biased for very much shorter range.

The outcome is that I dont need glasses at all and my all round eyesight is actually better than when I was young. The long distance vision is excellent and I can not only read normally but even cope with small print. When tested after both eyes were dealt with I was handed a five section chart of ever smaller print paragraphs and asked to read from the lowest one to see how far up I could go. I didn't bother, just jumped straight to the top paragraph of the tiniest print and read it out at full arms length away.

In any investigation you may discover that replacement variable lenses have been created now. However I was strongly advised to avoid them since the failure rate is high and failure means a repeated operation. A cataract operation has a roughly 1 in 1000 chance of blindness occurring in the eye, and the odds on that happening are greatly shortened for a repeated operation. That's why there are very few doing them.

My operation cost in 2013 and 2014 totalled near to £5000, well worth it for the outcome.

The first eye cost £2200, but because the planning was for two eyes, there was a discount for bulk on the second eye at £1950. There was a charge of £90 for the precise scanning of both eyes to exactly determine their natural focus, plus two long consultations with the specialist consultant at £200 each. These were mainly to determine my exact requirements at each stage.
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I had a cataract operation under private,I was recommended the consultant,he did a good job,but terrible bedside manner.My eyesight seemed to be seeing slightly double,all stars looked double and headlamps at night seemed to have a halo,it made night driving very nervous.
I had the operation under a general anaesthetic,the nurse cheekily said that I was a wimp,most had it done under a local.
The day after and the patch came off the world had changed,I didn't realise that everything had taken on a translucent look,sort of milky. The day after colours were so bright and definition had returned,I no longer needed any glasses,one of the best operations,quite amazing.
I have slight cataract in the other eye but so far have never felt the need to have that one operated upon.
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I had the operation under a general anaesthetic,the nurse cheekily said that I was a wimp,most had it done under a local.
The day after and the patch came off the world had changed,e
I preferred a local anaesthetic, I even had an open bowel operation done that way so I could watch and listen to the surgeon describing every stage and asking me to assist at one point.

Your mention of the patch coming off surprised me. I know the NHS ops are followed by a lint layer and patch kept on for 24 hours.

However, as the operation ended my consultant just applied a crystal clear eye patch with edge ventilation holes, meaning I had instant greatly improved eyesight. Minutes later I was watching TV in my room while waiting for the waitress to arrive to serve my three course meal.

I threw that last bit in to show what life outside the NHS can be like! ;)
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I preferred a local anaesthetic, I even had an open bowel operation done that way so I could watch and listen to the surgeon describing every stage and asking me to assist at one point.

Your mention of the patch coming off surprised me. I know the NHS ops are followed by a lint layer and patch kept on for 24 hours.

However, as the operation ended my consultant just applied a crystal clear eye patch with edge ventilation holes, meaning I had instant greatly improved eyesight. Minutes later I was watching TV in my room while waiting for the waitress to arrive to serve my three course meal.

I threw that last bit in to show what life outside the NHS can be like! ;)
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I,ll go private if I feel required op or treatment is not available on NHS.
Years ago I snapped cruciate ligament and had it replaced on NHS in 2001. Unfortunately by 2010 I had bad arthritis in joint.( which is normal post cruciate replacement) Was offered replacement kneee on NHS but went private and had Stem Cell Therapy in 2013. So far has been brilliant. Perhaps not 100% but capable of wakeboarding, snowboarding, windsurfing etc..which would have been problematic with TKR.( which no doubt I,ll need eventually) I,d have been happy with another 5 years playing...Surgeon suggested I,d get 10.Getting toward borrowed time..
Going to collapse in a big pile of bits soon.
Planning on burning out, not fading away
 
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Ken Loach is a multi millionare who made his fortune investing public money in films to then profit himself from their success. Yes , another disgruntled hard done to activist pointing out the wrongs in society whilst actually being part of the problem, yet offering not a single solution.
There simply would be no " British Film " industry without the massive government support it has attracted. His most famous film ( Kes) is the 7th most popular/grossing British film ever. I wonder how much of those profits went into worthy causes. Not as much as into the pockets of over paid actors ,directors and producers I,ll bet.
Tom, you seem distinctly skilled at finding hypocrites.
Yes, Loach means well but cant you see that all these people you refer to are using the system far more than any underprivileged claimant they purport to support. Frankie Boyle, a talent less offensive comedian , now springs up supporting the underprivileged. I wonder why ? To resurrect a failing career, thats why. And its worked. You have been hoodwinked far more than any Daily Mail reader.
Wealthy activist..its almost an anachronism. They should shut up and help. They use their situation of notoriety and fame to peddle what is actually mis information. He was 9 at the start of the Attlee administration he talks so knowledgeably about, not mentioning all that government's faults and benefits. It is a very one sided account...so why quote it. You would scoff at any Daily Mail, Express quotes. Yours are equally biased, probably far more so.
You are simply demonstrating the reason for your indoctrination. It is you believing everything you read.
 
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This is the problem and why it doesn’t, can’t and never will work.


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Ken Loach is a multi millionare who made his fortune investing public money in films to then profit himself from their success. Yes , another disgruntled hard done to activist pointing out the wrongs in society whilst actually being part of the problem, yet offering not a single solution.
There simply would be no " British Film " industry without the massive government support it has attracted. His most famous film ( Kes) is the 7th most popular/grossing British film ever. I wonder how much of those profits went into worthy causes. Not as much as into the pockets of over paid actors ,directors and producers I,ll bet.
Tom, you seem distinctly skilled at finding hypocrites.
Yes, Loach means well but cant you see that all these people you refer to are using the system far more than any underprivileged claimant they purport to support. Frankie Boyle, a talent less offensive comedian , now springs up supporting the underprivileged. I wonder why ? To resurrect a failing career, thats why. And its worked. You have been hoodwinked far more than any Daily Mail reader.
Wealthy activist..its almost an anachronism. They should shut up and help. They use their situation of notoriety and fame to peddle what is actually mis information. He was 9 at the start of the Attlee administration he talks so knowledgeably about, not mentioning all that government's faults and benefits. It is a very one sided account...so why quote it. You would scoff at any Daily Mail, Express quotes. Yours are equally biased, probably far more so.
You are simply demonstrating the reason for your indoctrination. It is you believing everything you read.
Some good points. It is confusing that so many prominent socialist stock pile huge sums of personal wealth. Ken Loach who you mention above is estimated to have trousered about £4 000 000. That other socialist Lilly Allen, the one who occasionally crosses the helicopter-lanes of London as she “Jet Rangers” over to France in order to be filmed and photographed crying at pretend refugees, is another. £15 000 000 invested in, amongst other things, property? Couldn’t Liiy “Socialist” Allen house some “refugees” in one of her properties instead of making an income off it, adding to her £15 000 000? It really is indefensible for a socialist.

What about sharing the wealth Ken & Lilly? Surely they don’t need all that cheese and property?

They can be forgiven though, they are greedy humans like most of us. It’s just they were given an extra dollop of hypocrisy when they were made.
 
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I think you are looking back to a bygone time with romantically clouded vision. My point was that those days are over, the world has moved on, the U.K. in particular has changed with a massively swollen population compared to 1945. This has broken the whole infrastructure, schools, health care, welfare system, it’s all broken under the pressure of numbers. There is no way back, there are too many people and with slappers up and down the country squeezing out more and more future claimants in buckling NHS Maternity Wards, the deterioration can only accelerate, not reverse.

There will be food riots on the streets within 50 years.
Really? how strange then that the class sizes of the school I went to were double those in size of modern ones?
There was no space for Maternity cases as the hospitals were full of war casualties?
You live in a nonsense world of your own creation.
The only line that made sense was the last one.
Brexit will lead to food riots.
 
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