Brexit, for once some facts.

SHAN

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Rather than sink to the level of "name calling" the way to go is to firmly rub the Tory party's nose in their own mess. It never pays to give your "opponent" too much to play with. Something which Jeremy Corbyn seems to be managing rather well, even with a particularly viscous right wing press. The SNP honeymoon is over in Scotland, let's see what happens here.
 
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OxygenJames

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Rather than sink to the level of "name calling" the way to go is to firmly rub the Tory party's nose in their own mess. It never pays to give your "opponent" too much to play with. Something which Jeremy Corbyn seems to be managing rather well, even with a particularly viscous right wing press. The SNP honeymoon is over in Scotland, let's see what happens here.
This on Labour's Brexit stance says much:

"Most ironic in all this is the extent to which Corbyn’s Labour Party is at the heart of the pro-status-quo establishment. Poorer people in Britain could be so much better off if we were to remove external tariffs, either unilaterally, or via trade deals, especially in the areas of food, clothing and footwear, but shamefully Labour does not want this. They are happy to see ordinary UK taxpayers fund farm subsidies for country land owners in the UK Rich List and then, to add insult to injury, forcing those same ordinary folk to pay an average 20 per cent more for their basic needs, clothing and food, in order to protect the monopoly profits of those same rich individuals – you could not make it up!"

Full article here:

https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2018/01/john-longworth-leavers-have-every-reason-to-be-optimistic-about-the-year-ahead.html?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
 

oldtom

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Rather than sink to the level of "name calling" the way to go is to firmly rub the Tory party's nose in their own mess.
Tried that - didn't work! The mentally deficient scum who choose to vote for a party, entirely centred upon the maintenance of a status quo which extends only to keeping the masses in their place while permitting the establishment to do whatever they please, really are the lowest form of vermin.

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oldgroaner

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This on Labour's Brexit stance says much:

"Most ironic in all this is the extent to which Corbyn’s Labour Party is at the heart of the pro-status-quo establishment. Poorer people in Britain could be so much better off if we were to remove external tariffs, either unilaterally, or via trade deals, especially in the areas of food, clothing and footwear, but shamefully Labour does not want this. They are happy to see ordinary UK taxpayers fund farm subsidies for country land owners in the UK Rich List and then, to add insult to injury, forcing those same ordinary folk to pay an average 20 per cent more for their basic needs, clothing and food, in order to protect the monopoly profits of those same rich individuals – you could not make it up!"

Full article here:

https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2018/01/john-longworth-leavers-have-every-reason-to-be-optimistic-about-the-year-ahead.html?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
I read it, and as usual it contained this sort of nonsense.
"The truth is that this negotiation, the extraction of the UK from the EU, has little to do with Brussels, but is a domestic battle within the the UK. In fact, it is a sort of glorious revolution. The EU is almost irrelevant to the outcome, as Britain will be freer and economically more prosperous if we get a trade arrangement with the EU and also if we don’t, provided the Government adopts the right policies and maximises the opportunities and freedoms that Brexit affords. But that means over turning the status quo, not salvaging it as our Chancellor is desperate to do. It means defying the status quo establishment and that will be the crux and heart of the political discourse for the next few years.
So no matter what happens we will be better off?
You would have to be of the sort of limited intelligence of a Conservative voter to believe all will be well whatever happens.
Fortunately for the writer of the article it was intended for consumption by the party faithful, and they are dumb enough to believe any old rubbish.

How reassuring to the simple minded to hear this.

"The EU is almost irrelevant to the outcome, as Britain will be freer and economically more prosperous if we get a trade arrangement with the EU and also if we don’t, provided the Government adopts the right policies and maximises the opportunities and freedoms that Brexit affords."

Pity about the people at the bottom who will have to suffer in the process.
 
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Danidl

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This on Labour's Brexit stance says much:

"Most ironic in all this is the extent to which Corbyn’s Labour Party is at the heart of the pro-status-quo establishment. Poorer people in Britain could be so much better off if we were to remove external tariffs, either unilaterally, or via trade deals, especially in the areas of food, clothing and footwear, but shamefully Labour does not want this. They are happy to see ordinary UK taxpayers fund farm subsidies for country land owners in the UK Rich List and then, to add insult to injury, forcing those same ordinary folk to pay an average 20 per cent more for their basic needs, clothing and food, in order to protect the monopoly profits of those same rich individuals – you could not make it up!"

Full article here:

https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2018/01/john-longworth-leavers-have-every-reason-to-be-optimistic-about-the-year-ahead.html?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
Just two short points..
the attributes attributed to Labour are those from their opponents, so may be lacking in objectivity.
The article refers in disparaging tones about the "establishment. " , Correct me if I am being naïve, but would not the organisation running the government not be called the establishment in this case the conservative party?.
 

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Woosh

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In the long run, we are all dead and western society gone,. We live in the now and the near future. Politicans have a 4 year horizon, Building societies and solicitors a 20 year one, civil engineers a 100 years and US businesses a quarterly year one... So which long term are you referring to..
I think we'll have some idea by March, then a bit more when both sides can agree on the conditions of the transitional period. Our economy will trundle on until 31-Dec-2020. That is the lowest point in economic certainty and therefore growth.
I expect growth will return slowly from 2021-2022 and accelerate after that with pent-up demand.
 

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