Brexit, for once some facts.

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.. not eu laws , but local french laws aimed at reducing poison in the air. Ho of course, what right have the french to make laws that impede an englishman in paris..? ..what was I thinking!
And we are doing the same, nationally and locally more severely in London. We use both total bans or very high charges on potentially polluting vehicle use in London. My second vehicle, a 2006 pickup, has just escaped the latest measure but will be caught with the next step.
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oldgroaner

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Darn it the good news just won't stop!

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This is the reality of your "Full Employment"

And it has increased since this chart was published.
A million people with no prospect of a stable future, and they hold down on average 1.8 jobs , so are working their backsides off for no good reason.
Poor devils, but then when people are voting Conservative, that sort of abuse of the public is part of the collateral damage to society, does that amount to good news?

As to your Financial Fake good news, this is the reality
The UK national debt grows at a rate of £5,170 per second!
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
The truth however is much worse, factoring in all liabilities including state and public sector pensions, the real national debt is closer to £4.8 trillion, some £78,000 for every person in the UK.

So much for the good news keeps coming, if that is Good news let's hope there isn't any bad!

You can kid some of the people some of the time
But Conservatives all of the time
 
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As soon as we're properly out of the EU and the madness of the EU agricultural tariffs - we can start doing what's best for the consumer - which means cheaper meat and a tonne of other cheaper foods. And don't buy the crap about Chlorine being a problem - we've been putting it in our water for decades.
Care to give any examples of how we can get cheaper meat than we already rear in the UK? Oh wait, I suspect you're suggesting we'll get meat cheaper from other countries outside of Europe and in the process of lowering the standards we'll also destroy our farming industry, all to save customers a few quid on their weekly shop, whilst at the same time adding £s to the weekly shop so they won't even notice this financial benefit.
 
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As soon as we're properly out of the EU and the madness of the EU agricultural tariffs - we can start doing what's best for the consumer - which means cheaper meat and a tonne of other cheaper foods. And don't buy the crap about Chlorine being a problem - we've been putting it in our water for decades.
There is nothing wrong with chlorine bleaching per se its what it can hide that is the problem. The bleach removes slime and decay odours as well as the bacteria, but the meat is still bad, just tge buyer will not be as aware.. It can remove all bacteria . Where it touches it, but maybe not elsewhere,and as you will pickup from the toilet cleaner adds, even 1% left will very rapidly decontaminate the rest... E U policy is to reduce contamination at source, by better husbandry, not mask it by processing.
 

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Care to give any examples of how we can get cheaper meat than we already rear in the UK? Oh wait, I suspect you're suggesting we'll get meat cheaper from other countries outside of Europe and in the process of lowering the standards we'll also destroy our farming industry, all to save customers a few quid on their weekly shop, whilst at the same time adding £s to the weekly shop so they won't even notice this financial benefit.
And I'm sick of the drive to cheapness anyway, since it's also driven poor quality.

It's now from difficult to impossible to buy ripe fruit in the UK, since the supermarkets will only buy in unripe to avoid wastage and keep prices low. They label rock hard fruit as "ripe and ready" when it's often weeks away from that, and in many cases picked so early it can never ripen, only rot. They actually tell growers of melons and pineapples the deliberate lie that the British like their fruit that way. So we have melons like rocks that can never ripen, only soften to have as much sweetness and flavour as raw marrow, and dark green pineapples that again can only decay to a sweetness and flavour lacking dull yellow.

The drive to cheapness has now left us without choice, even Waitrose, once a source of quality, have pursued the cheap path and are no better than the lowest priced sources.
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And I'm sick of the drive to cheapness anyway, since it's also driven poor quality.

It's now from difficult to impossible to buy ripe fruit in the UK, since the supermarkets will only buy in unripe to avoid wastage and keep prices low. They label rock hard fruit as "ripe and ready" when it's often weeks away from that, and in many cases picked so early it can never ripen, only rot. They actually tell growers of melons and pineapples the deliberate lie that the British like their fruit that way. So we have melons like rocks that can never ripen, only soften to have as much sweetness and flavour as raw marrow, and dark green pineapples that again can only decay to a sweetness and flavour lacking dull yellow.

The drive to cheapness has now left us without choice, even Waitrose, once a source of quality, have pursued the cheap path and are no better than the lowest priced sources.
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I'm in krabi (Thailand) where bananas are butter yellow and pineapples sweet and think the food in England is a major part of the lack of quality of life there
 

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As soon as we're properly out of the EU and the madness of the EU agricultural tariffs - we can start doing what's best for the consumer - which means cheaper meat and a tonne of other cheaper foods. And don't buy the crap about Chlorine being a problem - we've been putting it in our water for decades.
Nonsense. Tesco et all, are solely responsible for the decline in food quality and waste. I KNOW !
 

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Trump has been absolutely brilliant - more than anybody could possibly have hoped for. The cognitive dissonance experience by all the namby-pamby liberal-progressives - when everything they thought was proved wrong - is even worse than the Remainers who still think they have a hope in hell of stopping the freight train that is the UK leaving the EU. This is SUCH a great time to be alive - politics is finally interesting.
Good for you, and about as accurate as your valuation of your mini.
 
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As soon as we're properly out of the EU and the madness of the EU agricultural tariffs - we can start doing what's best for the consumer - which means cheaper meat and a tonne of other cheaper foods. And don't buy the crap about Chlorine being a problem - we've been putting it1
in our water for decades.
Good old OxygenJames.
Chlorine in drinking water is safe is it? this from the United States National Resources Defence Council
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These concerns about cancer risks associated with chemical contamination from chlorination by-products have resulted in numerous epidemiological studies. These studies generally support the notion that by-products of chlorination are associated with increased cancer risks.


Chlorine is used to combat microbial contamination, but it can react with organic matter in the water and form dangerous, carcinogenic Trihalomethanes. According to Dr. Joseph M. Price, MD, in Moseby's Medical Dictionary, "Chlorine is the greatest crippler and killer of modern times. It is an insidious poison".


In a 1992 study that made front-page headlines, and was reported on in the July issue of the American Journal of Public Health researchers at the Medical College of Wisconsin in Milwaukee found that people who regularly drink tap water containing high levels of chlorine by-products have a greater risk of developing bladder and rectal cancers than people who drink unchlorinated water. The study estimates that about 9 percent of all bladder cancer and 18 percent of all rectal cancer cases are associated with long-term consumption of these by-products. This amounts to over 20,000 new cases each year.

Take your Chlorine washed chickens, and certainly whatever you do ,don't eat the B****y things
 
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Trump has been absolutely brilliant - more than anybody could possibly have hoped for. The cognitive dissonance experience by all the namby-pamby liberal-progressives - when everything they thought was proved wrong - is even worse than the Remainers who still think they have a hope in hell of stopping the freight train that is the UK leaving the EU. This is SUCH a great time to be alive - politics is finally interesting.
Very amusing, it just goes to prove, as I have maintained already, there is no creature more gullible than a Conservative Voter, even though this one seems to know some big words.
Trump is an even bigger imbecile that any of our set of matching clowns.

I for one wouldn't dream of wanting Brexit to be cancelled,as it is the only way to communicate to those who subscribe to this Dangerous Brexit Fetish what a terrible idea it really is.
It's not a freight train, it's a convoy of Pig Slurry Spreaders, with defective shut off valves.
 
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Erm, yes, that is THE ten years since we bailed out the bankers with billions of deficit. It could hardly get bigger..
Look on the bright side, Forage is "begging" for money, Hatie Kopkins is out of a job and the leader of the "free world" is an ex KGB Lieutenant colonel. Oh and apparently an ex game show host is living in the white house.
 

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It seems to be a concept that if you disagree with the "Right" then you side with the "lilly livered Left". Not true, I disagree with the politically willfully ignorant, of which the increase is frightening. Good always prevails, as it did in crushing the hideous ideology that created WW2, and the supporters vanished. This time they leave a " Twitter" trail.
 

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Good for you, and about as accurate as your valuation of your mini.
Not that you sound like the kind of person who would let facts interfere with your incorrect opinions..... but here's the value for my car - it's all those extras and the 50,000 miles that adds to the 'adjusted' value.

Merry Xmas!

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This supports what I've long felt, that many Remainers didn't vote out of the complacent belief that Remain would easily win.

If true, a new referendum would deliver a decisive Remain vote, especially now that many Brexiters are becoming disillusioned with how Leaving seems to be turning out.
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I'm not disillusioned. Confirmation bias anybody?
 

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Definitely keeping to their standards and we will want that anyway to continue current trading. We'll just have to accept that means some ECJ jurisdiction.

The Irish border solution envisaged means that a single market and customs union will in effect still exist to some degree, though not named as such.

Whatever we agree to will be a collection of compromises and I don't see it being remotely like that the Brexit Leavers had in mind. Only crashing out without a deal would satisfy them, any deal the EU agree to won't.
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Depends on the Brexiter. Some compromise is inevitable. We're not all Farage disciples.
 

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That's brave of you! This quote is from only just over a month ago:

Again and again Carney has called it wrong about the economic impact of Brexit. He warned that Britain would be plunged into recession after a Leave vote and that leaving the EU represented the “biggest domestic risk” to the UK economy. Unemployment would rise, house prices would collapse, consumer confidence would be dented. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
His forecasting failure has been compared to that of Michael Fish ignoring the hurricane coming our way in 1987.

And this from late June:

BRITAIN'S economy has coped with Brexit and could soon be ready for interest rates to rise, the Bank of England's chief economist said today in an outlook sharply contrasting with his boss Mark Carney.

He was right.
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Spot on. Same with the IMF and the CBI and all the so called 'experts' who called it wrong. Now we have them all back - telling us their latest ideas on what is going to happen. Pass the popcorn.
 

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