I doubt that the average Brexiter has sufficient understanding to deal with the situation and will follow whatever line the Right wing media present to them as a "Victory"
Brexit, for once some facts.
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We seem to have something of an hiatus in the government's unrelenting attempts to talk up the disastrous mess it has made of negotiating a deal on 'Brexit'. Nevertheless, social media has lots of images to consider. Here are three:
Tom
Tom
The Schneider quote is easy to explain, the brexit voters thought that parliament was simply "their pet dog" that they had put a collar on and could take for walkies, imagine their horror when it turns out to be feral?
As to two types of Tory voters, you missed out the third and larger group, the gullible mass with attention span problems
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Boris Johnson said 'Brexit is unstoppable'....the fact that Boris even felt the need to say it means that Brexit is starting to lean towards super soft or reversible.
Rees-Mogg said 'the EU offer was unacceptable,the U.K. will end up a colony of the EU.....the fact that R-M says it means that will probably be the outcome.
R-M could easily end up our next PM ,he wants a Singaporean style economy for the UK,that means.....
No capital gains tax,no inheritance tax....you can see why he would like that.
NHS and Pensions provided by business....it would mean everyone paying 37% of their salary to a private fund.
No benefits,no tax credits,no housing allowance....you have to be in work.
Can't see how that would work in the poor parts of the U.K.,it would move the responsibility to provide from government to business.
KudosDave
Rees-Mogg said 'the EU offer was unacceptable,the U.K. will end up a colony of the EU.....the fact that R-M says it means that will probably be the outcome.
R-M could easily end up our next PM ,he wants a Singaporean style economy for the UK,that means.....
No capital gains tax,no inheritance tax....you can see why he would like that.
NHS and Pensions provided by business....it would mean everyone paying 37% of their salary to a private fund.
No benefits,no tax credits,no housing allowance....you have to be in work.
Can't see how that would work in the poor parts of the U.K.,it would move the responsibility to provide from government to business.
KudosDave
The EU have already given us a 65 page document of the offer they are making to the UK during the transition phase,they are organised and thought ahead.....shouldn't David Davis's dept have prepared the reciprocal document and presented it to the EU of our offer.,perhaps that document sits alongside the impact assessments,hehe!!!!
The stress that May is clearly under,who can blame her for taking the EU document as an easy option,Hammond has already declared that his thoughts are very much in line with the EU.
March 2019....May will be able to truthfully say 'nothing has changed'
KudosDave
The stress that May is clearly under,who can blame her for taking the EU document as an easy option,Hammond has already declared that his thoughts are very much in line with the EU.
March 2019....May will be able to truthfully say 'nothing has changed'
KudosDave
that would be the same document (next to the EU offer), made by people with similar education.
The Norwegian minister has advised against the Norway option,he says they get 5 new EU directives per day,over 10,000 since they did the deal with the U.K. and pay £344 million to be part of the single market.
I can't see Brexiters being happy with that during the 2 year or 5 year transition phase.
I am starting to think we only have 2 choices....
1.Crash out and accept the consequences,maybe that will hurt the EU so much that they will give a favourable deal to avoid it.
2.Stay in (Remain)
Anything between we are just not good enough negotiators.
KudosDave
I can't see Brexiters being happy with that during the 2 year or 5 year transition phase.
I am starting to think we only have 2 choices....
1.Crash out and accept the consequences,maybe that will hurt the EU so much that they will give a favourable deal to avoid it.
2.Stay in (Remain)
Anything between we are just not good enough negotiators.
KudosDave
Here you go, from the Horse's mouth
Article 50 TEU
: Withdrawal of a Member State from the EU
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf
Be sure to pass this link on to any Leave Voters you know.
(Oh, sure, they will really love it!)
Article 50 TEU
: Withdrawal of a Member State from the EU
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf
Be sure to pass this link on to any Leave Voters you know.
(Oh, sure, they will really love it!)
Surely you don't believe that? I have read how wonderfully our Brilliant negotiators are doing in the Express and Daily Mail, so surely someone has been telling you Porkies?
I am reminded of a joke from way back when Turkey invaded Cyprus, Two young ladies were in the Powder Room and one said to the other
"What do you think of the Cyprus position?"
The other one Blinked and frowned and replied
"I don't know I've never tried it!"
Such truths and reality simply won't wash with the 'Brexidiots' as they have been told by the 'liar-in-chief' this very week that we are making good progress towards
This whole fiasco is turning out to be a shambles and a lose-lose situation for all concerned. 21st-century Britain & NI's ongoing austerity, devalued currency, augmented by rising inflation and wage suppression is as nothing compared to the years ahead outside of the EU and only two things can help alter that inevitable fact.
1) A socialist government is elected soon.
2) 'Brexit' is abandoned and our EU membership continues allowing us to be a part of the US of E.
Frankly, I don't care as I really don't wish to live in such a UK as UKIP and the rest of the fascist parties envisage. It helps that having just been assured I qualify for an Irish passport and I own property on mainland Europe, I shall still be able to enjoy the benefits that all EU citizens are entitled to by right.
This is where we are today in the form of imagery:
Tom
There was an interesting comment from our Leo, returning from the EU summit... He reiterated his desire for Ireland to remain close to the UK, but said that sentiment was not shared by other EU members.. so remind me which nationality did the UK press and some MPs deliberately insult a week ago?.
So Dave, I would not make the assumption that the EU needs the UK as much as you are hoping. It seems to me to be similar to when you retire , the world of work just continues without you , you might consider yourself indespensible , but your erstwhile colleagues just compensate and continue...
Indeed, most of the importance that so many in the UK imagine we have in the world is illusory, based more on history than present fact.
The only thing the EU really value about their relationship with the UK is our financial services strength, giving them a source of cheaper money than they can get directly. An analysis I listened to recently was that the EU negotiation tactic in respect of services will be to leave that until last. Then concede just enough ground for them to retain that benefit while excluding us much more than at present from their services market.
The tactic and forecasted outcome is that Paris, Frankfurt and Dublin will be the gainers.
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interesting report in the independent:
while more than 9 out of 10 voters in the last referendum have not changed their mind, latest poll shows that those who did not vote would vote 4 to 1 for remain if they have to vote in a second referendum.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-latest-poll-remain-ten-points-leave-bmg-a8114406.html
while more than 9 out of 10 voters in the last referendum have not changed their mind, latest poll shows that those who did not vote would vote 4 to 1 for remain if they have to vote in a second referendum.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-latest-poll-remain-ten-points-leave-bmg-a8114406.html
This supports what I've long felt, that many Remainers didn't vote out of the complacent belief that Remain would easily win.
If true, a new referendum would deliver a decisive Remain vote, especially now that many Brexiters are becoming disillusioned with how Leaving seems to be turning out.
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It is starting to become obvious that the way negotiations are going will suit the EU. The U.K. has always been a pain to the EU,the U.K. veto has often been a millstone to the EU....if the UK leaves still under the control of the EU but without the UK having a veto vote,that really is the EU having its cake and eat it,having a bundle of cash out of the U.K. is a cherry on the cake.
We really would be mugs if we went along with this deal but it seems we do everything the EU want. Us staying in would probably not now be the EU preferred option.
But crashing out would hurt us all,WTO tariffs especially on food would really hurt some EU countries.....some of my own EU customers are really worried about Brexit,in many cases 90% of their supply comes from the UK,they are very worried about it,more than me,I can always fall back on the home market,albeit at much lower revenue.
Remaining would definitely be the best economic option but not sure whether the politics will allow us to get there...it's interesting that the UK media are now starting to talk about a second referendum.
KudosDave
A legend in his own lunchtime!
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/features/the-david-davis-guide-to-being-cunning-like-a-fox-20171213140892
Tom
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/features/the-david-davis-guide-to-being-cunning-like-a-fox-20171213140892
Tom
I thought that the move to 'Qualified Majority Voting' was adopted by the EU to prevent individual countries from vetoing proposed changes?
Mikel
From the Express this morning
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Brexit ESPIONAGE: EU is ‘deploying COLD WAR spy tactics against UK’ as rooms are ‘BUGGED'
THE European Union has been “deploying cold war espionage tactics against Britain” as rooms are “bugged”, an intelligence source has claimed.
Fortunately for the Express it can rely on it's readers not to be bright enough to know that any liar, cheat or propagandist can claim anything at all.
The snag is that this propaganda comic purports to be a Newspaper, and does influence a section of public opinion
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Brexit ESPIONAGE: EU is ‘deploying COLD WAR spy tactics against UK’ as rooms are ‘BUGGED'
THE European Union has been “deploying cold war espionage tactics against Britain” as rooms are “bugged”, an intelligence source has claimed.
Fortunately for the Express it can rely on it's readers not to be bright enough to know that any liar, cheat or propagandist can claim anything at all.
The snag is that this propaganda comic purports to be a Newspaper, and does influence a section of public opinion