Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

It is a crying shame. So who do you think has made these EU guys feel that they are not wanted. I would suggest that it won't be the odd yob, that may or may not have voted Brexit, rather, it will be the remoaners who have continually spouted doom and gloom awaits us and indeed anyone else who cares to stay.

Have you lost your head completely? how can you possibly blame "Remoaners" for this?
That is plainly stupid isn't it? Remoaners didn't Vote for Brexit and create the situation did they, nor will their comments cause EU workers to flee the country .
Do you imagine our forecasting problems is any diffferent to the conclusion EU workers reach?

You have to have no brains at all not to see that there will be problems.
They have eyes and brains too, and tend to use them, and they are aware of the nasty attitude many of the leave voters have towards them.

Remainers don't abuse them do they? Guess who does!
Ye Gods you really do have an utterly distorted version of reality.
No wonder you vote Conservative

 

[oldgroaner]

You dont think the xenophobic, racist, fear card has been played by many remainers to discredit all leavers ???

NO some of them discredit themselves

 

[Zlatan]

NO some of them discredit themselves

Agreed, as do some remainers.

 

[Danidl]

I,m lost now Danid, you said EU had not imposed 15 5 mph ( 25 kph) limit on pedelecs, hence my question.
We used to enforce a 12bhp limit on learner riders. EU made that 11kw which is as near as dam it 15bhp( 14.7 BHP) it was an EU figure..as I thought the pedelec figure had been . ( or is)

This isn't a topic that interests me... I am no petrol head. But as with any other area, the EU will have set up an expert group who will try and negotiate an agreed standard. Engineering and people being what it is, the different standards in different jurisdictions will normally be close to each other but slightly different. They then try and make a harmonised standard regulation, so that products manufactured in one country can be used and sold legally in another. There are economies of scale and reduction in duplication. ... Then the process of agreeing these at parliament level commences.

There are expert groups on everything which is manufacturable or quality assurable .... And they are taking over the functions and working with national and international bodies ... which might have been done by BSI or DIN CENLEC . Basically it is taking over the functions of the weights and measures acts, but for a more industrial society.

In the specific case of the 25km limit on ebikes, the EU groups agreed to the standard, but then recognising the local competence of states to legislate, suggested a form of words they might use... .
Thus there is a specific Irish act from our Oireachtas, written in English and Gaelic, detailing the nature of machine which is legal and surprise surprise it is the same wording as the EU suggested. The particular problem in NI is that they never enacted that legislation

There would be nothing the EU would do or wish to do if the UK had decided to licence 25 mph ebikes as not requiring tax, registration etc., Except to say you cannot call these EPACs with the specific compliance code..

 

[Danidl]

And on the first day at work I was taken on a tour of the factory and spotted ten stretchers outside the Foundry.
"Are those in case of accidents?" I asked my guide.
He laughed, "No when the men pass out from the heat we drag em outside put em on a stretched and chuck a bucket of water over them
When they come round they come back in, and get back to work, because they are on Peace Work, no work, no pay."
We sat on piles of Asbestos which was used in Boiler making, the Men who died as a result were put down as due to inhaling airborne sand and smoke.
Try and kid someone else with foolish wish to go back to a past where everyone was taking unnecessary risks.
Health and Safety has saved many lives even if it costs greedy Employers money out of their pockets.
Your Tory propaganda is just that, and dangerous nonsense.
And you last comment sums up the true Conservative attitude
You don't want to pay for the safety of others, do you?

The irony is that good health and safety standards, actually improves the bottom line. The systematic thought processes needed to implement safe work practices, yield improvements in process, and a reduction in days lost while digging out trapped miners etc.
I am however heartened to note that your former employers were so benevolent as to have your colleagues engaged in peace work. Truly the work of the Lord!

 

[Zlatan]

Nice one.

 

[Woosh]

Quote from Mr Varoufakis:

Britain should apply for a five-year transitional arrangement to remain with the European Economic Area under “a Norway-style agreement” at the end of the three-year Brexit negotiations.
That will give everyone a sigh of relief and an opportunity primarily for the House of Commons in London to debate amongst themselves what on earth they want to do in the post-Brexit world.

His comment seems to be the most sensible at the moment.

 

[oldgroaner]

The remainers seem unable to understand biggest part of business success is confidence in markets. Since last June they have done nothing but put country down and then blame Brexit for exactly the things this destruction of confidence has caused. Its been self full filling and the example OG spouts with his predicted gleefull " I told you so" will never accept he has as much responsibility for situation as any Brexit voter.

In other words you want us to lie to keep the fantasy of brexit going?
Still in denial about your responsibility for causing the problem where there wasn't one, aren't you?
Explain how I have ANY responsibility for the Brexit situation other than to be critical? it was a grave misake and wishing as you do won't change that.
We ar not putting the country down by being realistic, whereas you Bexiteers are like kids clinging to the idea there is a Father Christmas.
Grow Up! you have backed a losing bet.

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[oldgroaner]

Are you assuming we should just ignore EU directives and , for example, just continue selling fuel in Gallons and potatoes in lbs..??? Civil disobedience? Surely not from you flecc ?

And by the way gallons are an infinitely more sensible unit for buying petrol/ diesel.
We know and understand numbers upto 10 very well indeed...buying 5 gallons is intrinsically more meaningful than buying 22 litres..( We have 10 digits, so although we like maths / units to reflect " ten ness" ie to base 10. Ie SI units we also like things in units of size we can use numbers between 1 and 10...especially when filling car it appears..how many of us still convert to gallons? Its not just because historically we know gallons...its also to do with numbers we have a feeling for..its why we like to give height in feet...and buy veg in Lbs...
If you get my drift....OG wont ofcourse..

So we shouldn't adopt metrication because our old fashioned ways are better?
You should try working out invoices in pounds, shillings and pence as I used to do, you would soon see the disadvantages
Where do you get these silly ideas from?

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[oldgroaner]

Mmm. How do you buy your fuel in Gallons when its sold in litres ???

You put the nozzle of the pump into the fuel tank like everyone else.

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[oldgroaner]

Cannot agree more.
We seem to have a system that exists to massage the vanity of politicians rather than govern.
The latest EU nonsense is that vaping liquids can only be sold in 10 cc bottles rather than the 30cc that were normal.
No doubt some idiot politicos feel really good about this. The reality is that my son in law buys his supplies on Ebay, 500ccs at a time (all in 10cc bottles)
Of course, the UK will rigidly enforce this measure
Meanwhile, in Italy where they seem to be able to ignore any inconvenient law...............................

The idea presumably to reduce the quantities that folks can get easily over the counter to discourage over use?
like restricting sales of paracetamol to discourage overdosing?

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[oldgroaner]

Agreed, as do some remainers.

Why? because their honesty exposes the lies of the Leave Campaign?

 

[oldgroaner]

The irony is that good health and safety standards, actually improves the bottom line. The systematic thought processes needed to implement safe work practices, yield improvements in process, and a reduction in days lost while digging out trapped miners etc.
I am however heartened to note that your former employers were so benevolent as to have your colleagues engaged in peace work. Truly the work of the Lord!

Oh Dear. I meant "Piece" work of course!
My Employers worked for the other "Department" where it is supposedly much warmer!

 

[oldgroaner]

High Comedy in the Telegraph
"
Outside the EU we will become the world-leading curator of the most precious asset of all: our planet
Michael Gove"

Good old Gollum, tell them what they want to hear then do the opposite as usual.

And from Amber Rudd
"
Far-Right groups are trying to hijack British symbols and institutions for their own warped ideals
Amber Rudd"

You really, really shouldn/t talk about the Conservative Party like that! it's Naughtier than one of Boris's Daily Blunders!
The Pity is they are exactly that.
And to round up, this chestnut
"
To beat Corbyn, we must show how Tory principles can make Britain a better place
Maurice Saatchi and Graham Brady

Ho ho ho, surely no one is going to fall for that corny line? they missed off "For the Rich" at the end.

 

[oldgroaner]

Delusion in the Express
"
REVEALED: The 10 regions to hit fishing jackpot as Brexit to see industry boom 50 per cent
BREXIT will revive the UK fishing industry, creating 30,000 extra jobs and regenerating seaside towns in a boost to the nation’s economy worth almost £3billion, according to fishermen’s leaders."

Just one problem by the time we have built enough boats what few fish there are will be exhausted.
That's why our Government was instrumental in setting up the EU quotas, a fact conveniently forgotten.
And who is going to pay for the massive cost of building a new fishing fleet?
Why the Consumer of course!

 

[oldgroaner]

And in the Daily Mail..
"
Boris and Gove's plot to 'hijack' Number 10 exposed: Menacing secret memo to Theresa May dictating terms for a hard Brexit triggers new Cabinet rift
oris Johnson (left) and Michael Gove (right) made a series of veiled threats in a secret missive to the Prime Minister - which contained blunt instructions on how she should deliver the 'hard Brexit' they demand. The incredible letter also contains the sinister-sounding instruction that Mrs May should make rebel Cabinet Ministers toe their line by 'clarifying their minds'

Strong and Stable Hmmm!
This too
DAN HODGES: Now we know who to blame if we spiral into a Brexit abyss

It was a very British coup. No troops or tanks, just a letter delivered by hand on behalf of Boris Johnson and Michael Gove to Gavin Barwell, the Prime Minister's Chief of Staff.

In the Daily Mail? my goodness!

 

[oldgroaner]

I see Corbyn has called upn May to sack Boris for shaming our nation.
Fallon got the boot for poor behaviour towards women.
Boris has gone much further than that he has shown poor behaviour towards the Entire World.
For the sake of the Nation Boris, Go.
Let Gove sort out the mess you've left, it would serve him right.

 

[oldtom]

One of the issues here is that until we joined the EU, we had very few laws, commonsense used to prevail.

Yet another 'Brexidiotic' example of blaming the EU and making two and two add up to five! If you had spent more time in the real world, toiling long hours in thoroughly unpleasant and frequently dangerous conditions, you would understand that all laws emanating from the EU were extremely important to the wellbeing of workers and ordinary people across the EU.

That aside, you should be grateful that because of EU legislation, we in the UK are legally permitted to ride EAPCs which can be ridden with power assistance right up to 25kph before cut-off!

Tom

 

[oldtom]

People vary in personal risk management.

I do agree 'flecc' and I firmly believe that H&S begins with the individual. Nonetheless, there are many circumstances where pre-emptive legislation is a necessity in order to protect everyone from exposure to risk, particularly the unwary, children, the elderly and infirm.

Some individuals simply don't have the wherewithal to cope safely in the big wide world, indeed there are some who shouldn't be allowed outside the house without an escort.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Ye Gods you really do have an utterly distorted version of reality.
No wonder you vote Conservative

It's the way they've been brainwashed OG. Some become divorced from reality and spend the remainder of their life operating as an automaton.

It's a great reminder to the rest of us just how powerful a weapon propaganda is, particularly when directed towards the weak-minded and downright stupid of society.

Tom