Brexit, for once some facts.
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Northern Ireland is likely to become a major sticking point in any trade agreement with the EU and the known problems with that have just been further compounded by the breakdown of talks between the political parties in that region.
'The Independent' covers it like this:
northern-ireland-talks-collapse-sinn-fein-dup-fail-reach-agreement-deal-a8031291.html
Tom
'The Independent' covers it like this:
northern-ireland-talks-collapse-sinn-fein-dup-fail-reach-agreement-deal-a8031291.html
Tom
There's no need to be "offish" just because you were gullible enought to vote for Brexit, why even some intelligent people made that mistake too, so don't feel too badly about it.
After all if you are pepared to vote for Conservative Politicians, we can't really expect any better from you can we?
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That is a genuine pity. The people of NI deserve a parliament. But there is enough hypocrisy up there to cover all the parties. The suspension of stormont was a spectacular own goal by the dup. The marching in tune with the UK conservative party in defiance of a strong pro remain majority another and the posturing of the SF in respect for homosexual marriage and irish language is just populasim...
But it will make not a whit of difference to Brexit. Ireland does not register on the conservative radar.
I admire your confidence there 'Danidl' but I'm not sure I can share it. The whole 'Brexit' fiasco seems to be disintegrating day by day and while the newly-evolved situation in NI has always seemed fairly predictable, although exacerbated by the 'cosying-up' relationship between a desperate UK Prime Minister and the traditional loyalist support in NI, it may prove to be the biggest obstacle yet, of the many before 'Brexit' can be pursued to an acceptable conclusion.
As the saying goes, 'It ain't over till the fat lady sings!'
Tom
From the jolly old Beeb
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Nuclear submarine HMS Astute runs aground off Skye
"Earlier in the day they did have ropes and they were trying to tow but now the tide has gone back and they're just standing off."
Mr McKerlich said HMS Astute was in an area of shallow water where he would not risk taking his yacht.
The submarine has run aground outwith the safe sea lane marked on Admiralty charts.
Martin Douglas, a former nuclear submarine engineer, said a concern for the crew was the provision of sea water to the boat's reactor.
He said: "The sea provides the primary cooling for the reactor system.
"There are many, many levels of back up systems, but they may have to find some interesting ways of getting sea water supply to the reactor."
"Form a Bucket Chain lads......"
These submarines are so stealthy even the crew don't know where they are apparently
I like this bit
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Aside from attack capabilities, it is able to sit in waters off the coast undetected, delivering the UK's special forces where needed or even listening to mobile phone conversations.
The 39,000 acoustic panels which cover its surface mask its sonar signature, meaning it can sneak up on enemy warships and submarines alike, or lurk unseen and unheard at depth."
My suggestion would be to carry some good old Army Camouflage Netting you could cover with Kelp while aground on a mudbank listening to mobile phone conversations.
Just a question: why are they listening in on Mobile Phone conversations?
And also is this a world first for a Navy being unable to sink one of it's own submarines?
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Nuclear submarine HMS Astute runs aground off Skye
"Earlier in the day they did have ropes and they were trying to tow but now the tide has gone back and they're just standing off."
Mr McKerlich said HMS Astute was in an area of shallow water where he would not risk taking his yacht.
The submarine has run aground outwith the safe sea lane marked on Admiralty charts.
Martin Douglas, a former nuclear submarine engineer, said a concern for the crew was the provision of sea water to the boat's reactor.
He said: "The sea provides the primary cooling for the reactor system.
"There are many, many levels of back up systems, but they may have to find some interesting ways of getting sea water supply to the reactor."
"Form a Bucket Chain lads......"
These submarines are so stealthy even the crew don't know where they are apparently
I like this bit
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Aside from attack capabilities, it is able to sit in waters off the coast undetected, delivering the UK's special forces where needed or even listening to mobile phone conversations.
The 39,000 acoustic panels which cover its surface mask its sonar signature, meaning it can sneak up on enemy warships and submarines alike, or lurk unseen and unheard at depth."
My suggestion would be to carry some good old Army Camouflage Netting you could cover with Kelp while aground on a mudbank listening to mobile phone conversations.
Just a question: why are they listening in on Mobile Phone conversations?
And also is this a world first for a Navy being unable to sink one of it's own submarines?
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Confidence is not how I might gave described it. It simply a belief that the current UK government see NI solely as a source of a few critical votes. Beyond that they see nothing .
It may eventually dawn on them that there must be borders outside . There were interesting interviews in today's irish Times about a unionist farmer on a farm straddling the border.. name of Crockett.... that guy at the Alamo was a relation and they have been farming the same land for many generations. When the Brexit referendum was being discussed he tried telling his English table companions .of the inevitable outcomes were it to pass
. He was on an25th anniversary cruise with his wife at the time. Such was the certitude of his table mates he formed the view that it would pass. His aged and infirm father of 92 insisted on going to the polls also to vote remain...
It may eventually dawn on them that there must be borders outside . There were interesting interviews in today's irish Times about a unionist farmer on a farm straddling the border.. name of Crockett.... that guy at the Alamo was a relation and they have been farming the same land for many generations. When the Brexit referendum was being discussed he tried telling his English table companions .of the inevitable outcomes were it to pass
. He was on an25th anniversary cruise with his wife at the time. Such was the certitude of his table mates he formed the view that it would pass. His aged and infirm father of 92 insisted on going to the polls also to vote remain...
The evil that is the tory party and their disgusting supporters always like to proclaim this in some kind of perverse justification for their wealth and/or position in the social scale, as if to suggest that they achieved their place in the social order through hard graft and commitment, when in 90% of cases, nothing could be further from the truth:
Tom
Tom
True, it will make zero difference,
You said " The suspension of Stormont was a spectacular own goal by the dup". Totally untrue and i think you know that. Stormont was suspended because your own TD Adams along with the IRA Army Council instructed the then Deputy First Minister M`Guiness to resign, hence collapsing the Assembly on purpose.
The present negotiations are not run by Sinn Fein per se but under the control and instruction of the IRA Army Council hence the present impasse
I respectfully disagree , certainly with the first part. I believe that Martin McGuinness did his best to keep the show on the road, and it was the intransigence of Ms Foster which forced him to withdraw support. What was normal parliamentary procedure, whereby someone would recuse themselves in order to show publicly no bias, was seen by her as an admission of guilt. McGuinness would have had a lot of clout, with the linked organisation.
In respect of your second point, I can agree with you that Michelle is not in charge of the SF northern Ireland agenda. The most telling point of that was when she emerged as leader, I think it was Mr Adams ,who stated that she had been "appointed " to the position. I have never heard before of the leader of a party as being appointed. I have seen elections, conventions secret ballots, etc but never heard of someone being appointed....
The report was a couple of years later and these opening conclusions made very unhappy reading for the Navy:
One of the Royal Navy's flagship submarines ran aground off the Isle of Skye because the officer on the bridge was not using the right radar, did not have a chart and was unused to navigating in the dark, an official inquiry has concluded.
The 24 page report makes clear that a series of errors led to the £1bn HMS Astute becoming beached early on 10 October 2010, an embarrassment that was compounded when a rescue vessel crashed into its side and caused more damage.
What a shambles, navigating without a chart is what the most incompetent of landlubbers do when venturing offshore the first time.
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Flecc, not as unusual as one might wish.. we in Ireland had an event last April, where one of our air sea rescue helicopters, crashed into the sea off the western seaboard. It is particular interest in my village as one of the pilots lived with his family here. The circumstances were that this helicopter is normally based on the eastern side.. and would assist in Irish Welsh rescues. However they were required to go west, and assist. On making their approach to the mainland refuelling station, they hit an island , not included on their computerised GPS maps. All four died, and two have not been recovered
Have you wondered why the government won't release the findings of the studies into 'Brexit' impact?
This explains it:
Tom
This explains it:
Tom
I believe I saw a report on this accident at the time. There was a similar one in Scotland when a large helicopter with a number of very senior officers on board unaccountably crashed into low ground, I believe on an island, killing all on board.
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Not being a conspiracy theorist but the event you are referring to was where a Chinook carrying a number of NI security specialists died. After that there was movement and the agreements followed. I reckon that the vacancies created allowed new thinking or that without the expertise which had existed there was a need for a rethink.
From the Telegraph.
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Michael Fallon's resignation is bad timing for the Armed Forces.
This is true, now who can the public blame for the catastrophic state of our Defences?
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Michael Fallon's resignation is bad timing for the Armed Forces.
This is true, now who can the public blame for the catastrophic state of our Defences?
From the Express
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'Nothing to fear' Brexit Britain can walk away without EU deal warns Fox
LIAM Fox has said that Britain has “nothing to fear” from no deal with the EU after new figures revealed that the UK relies more on trade with the rest of the world.
The ONS also revealed that two thirds of the total exports go to countries outside the EU.
Someone is forgetting that it is Services that make up the bulk of the country's income, these figures are a case of deliberately misleading the Public
As usual.
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'Nothing to fear' Brexit Britain can walk away without EU deal warns Fox
LIAM Fox has said that Britain has “nothing to fear” from no deal with the EU after new figures revealed that the UK relies more on trade with the rest of the world.
The ONS also revealed that two thirds of the total exports go to countries outside the EU.
Someone is forgetting that it is Services that make up the bulk of the country's income, these figures are a case of deliberately misleading the Public
As usual.