Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

To be fair... moronic and crass stupid it might be, but, not that far different from the opposite end of the spectrum who are equally able and willing to throw stones and the like when things don't go their way. Such people aren't really anything other than anti- just about anything and everything. The left use bigger words that someone taught them to say - this lot don't appear to have had the advantage of a 'free' education.

"The left use bigger words that someone else taught them to say"
Actually you are demonstrating with that statement a pretty bad case of Bias.
Quite frankly there is little to choose with extremists of whatever stripe.
The "Right" as you refer to the present Government can not be said to be have any of the virtues needed to run this country.
They have instigated this breakdown of the illusion we refer to as parliamentary democracy caused by internal dissent within the party and set in train nothing short of an uprising of the disenchanted that they thought they had under the thumb, allowing their own lunatic fringe element to "strut the stage" pretending that their propaganda has achieved a massive expression of "The will of the people" which is after all only a 4% difference, and the chief idiot behind Brexit in his own words said "A 52% to 48% win for remain would be "Work in Progress" only a a 2 to 1 vote for remain would kill it.
And it was only an advisory Referendum too!

All that and despite being an apparently uneducated Leftie, I hardly used any words someone had taught me to say, ironically only those from the Arch Fool Nigel Farage.
The truth is Trouble is inevitable now. the Genie is out of the bottle where the rabble with extreme views imagine themselves somehow "Guardians of the Right"
Too many Broken Promises, too many lies, and it gets worse every day with fools like Davis posturing for the Press, and an invisible Prime Minister.
And still no evidence whatsoever that Brexit is any more than a Lead Airship.

 

[Woosh]

and it gets worse every day with fools like Davis posturing for the Press

I thought he did all right this morning on Marr's show.
BTW, what Monsieur Barnier said, he said it off camera. I would have thought he was off guard.

 

[oldgroaner]

Just a little different in that the RNLI is a 'real' charity run by people who give their time for free. I guess some might argue that is simply because the state doesn't provide the service but I find things work better this way. Round pegs in round holes for a change.

Since the Government can't run even a tiny navy and ensure it get's effective ships, we should be grateful that the RNLI is independent and if you saw how generations of the same family have manned the boats, and the locals support them, you would observe the real "will of the people"
The oldest lifeboat is said to be the Zetland at Redcar
The original patent for the lifeboat was in 1785
https://rnli.org/about-us/our-history/timeline/1785-the-first-lifeboats
But if you look at the diagram it is incomplete as this image shown one of the Sixteen ceramic pipes that drained the false deck to the sea (you can see one of the pots on the extreme left of the deck and the air pocket is open up above it,(they still haven't restored it.
Six were made of these wonderfully ingenious boats and the link above is worth reading.

 

[PeterL]

Since the Government can't run even a tiny navy and ensure it get's effective ships, we should be grateful that the RNLI is independent and if you saw how generations of the same family have manned the boats, and the locals support them, you would observe the real "will of the people"
The oldest lifeboat is said to be the Zetland at Redcar

Totally agree with you OG. I spent more than a few of my early years in Poole, my parents lived there so Lifeboats were in the blood. Now in the NE of Scotland and very familiar with the Broughty Ferry crew and help run some charity raising with them. As you say a great bunch with many generations to fall back on.

 

[PeterL]

From what I looked at the French , the Dutch and a few others were listed as charities, whereas the German and the American seemed to be arms of the state.

#20101Danidl, 54 minutes ago

A Charity can mean different things, certainly here in the UK, I'm unsure about other countries. Most Museums, Education establishments, Swimming Pools band of course the National Trust which gets a few mentions on here, in fact an almost endless list of organisations can claim to be a Charity and in so doing receive various tax incentives / benefits. In many ways a good thing but, it results in an uneven playing field.

To be specific, in my view, the RNLI is a 'real' Charity with a relatively small employed management team based in Poole.Dorset and run by local teams of volunteers who do the 'work' without any reward other than the satisfaction it obviously brings.

 

[oldgroaner]

I thought he did all right this morning on Marr's show.
BTW, what Monsieur Barnier said, he said it off camera. I would have thought he was off guard.

Gove is even better at appearing smooth, it doesn't prove anything.

 

[tommie]

The greatest gift the English gave Ireland was the English language !!!

Well next time you see your TD Gerry Adams in your constituency please let him know that!
Holding up any chance of an Assembly here by another of his stunts. Irish language act my a$$!

btw, couldn`t you find a better TD down there than that gobshyte?

 

[oldgroaner]

Totally agree with you OG. I spent more than a few of my early years in Poole, my parents lived there so Lifeboats were in the blood. Now in the NE of Scotland and very familiar with the Broughty Ferry crew and help run some charity raising with them. As you say a great bunch with many generations to fall back on.

I remember being there when the Scarborough crew got their new Shannon boat, and we were standing around upstairs chatting when an American couple came up an opined "Great boat, when does it get too rough to go out in it?" the crew stood perplexed and the Coxswain wondered how to respond, then said "I'm sorry I don't understand your question!"

At this point there was one of those silent moments, then one of the lady Fundraisers went into such a furious tirade that the Americans beat a hasty retreat. then the laughter started, till we were all standing with tears in our eyes!

Never, never anger one of the ladies who fund raises for the RNLI, it's more than your life's worth!

 

[PeterL]

"The left use bigger words that someone else taught them to say"
Actually you are demonstrating with that statement a pretty bad case of Bias.
Quite frankly there is little to choose with extremists of whatever stripe.
The "Right" as you refer to the present Government can not be said to be have any of the virtues needed to run this country.
They have instigated this breakdown of the illusion we refer to as parliamentary democracy caused by internal dissent within the party and set in train nothing short of an uprising of the disenchanted that they thought they had under the thumb, allowing their own lunatic fringe element to "strut the stage" pretending that their propaganda has achieved a massive expression of "The will of the people" which is after all only a 4% difference, and the chief idiot behind Brexit in his own words said "A 52% to 48% win for remain would be "Work in Progress" only a a 2 to 1 vote for remain would kill it.
And it was only an advisory Referendum too!

All that and despite being an apparently uneducated Leftie, I hardly used any words someone had taught me to say, ironically only those from the Arch Fool Nigel Farage.
The truth is Trouble is inevitable now. the Genie is out of the bottle where the rabble with extreme views imagine themselves somehow "Guardians of the Right"
Too many Broken Promises, too many lies, and it gets worse every day with fools like Davis posturing for the Press, and an invisible Prime Minister.
And still no evidence whatsoever that Brexit is any more than a Lead Airship.

I was intending to be more general in my comments OG, certainly nothing was personally aimed at you.

 

[oldgroaner]

I was intending to be more general in my comments OG, certainly nothing was personally aimed at you.

Sorry Peter, I couldn't resist the urge to tease, I know you didn't intend offense.

 

[PeterL]

I remember being there when the Scarborough crew got their new Shannon boat, and we were standing around upstairs chatting when an American couple came up an opined "Great boat, when does it get too rough to go out in it?" the crew stood perplexed and the Coxswain wondered how to respond, then said "I'm sorry I don't understand your question!"

At this point there was one of those silent moments, then one of the lady Fundraisers went into such a furious tirade that the Americans beat a hasty retreat. then the laughter started, till we were all standing with tears in our eyes!

Never, never anger one of the ladies who fund raises for the RNLI, it's more than your life's worth!

Not met an irate Life Boat lady but, I'm sure that a Guide Dogs for the Blind one would give an equally robust reply in such circumstances..

 

[oldgroaner]

Not met an irate one of them but, the


Not met an irate Life Boat lady but, I'm sure that a Guide Dogs for the Blind one would give an equally robust reply in such circumstances..

This particular lady was rather like the one lord Charles described.

"Reminds me of an ancestor of mine,
Hard as ship's biscuit,
Built like a Bulldog,
Scourge of the Spanish Main,
Magnificent Woman!

As she walked away the Coxswain said "I'm glad she's on our side!"

 

[PeterL]

This particular lady was rather like the one lord Charles described.

"Reminds me of an ancestor of mine,
Hard as ship's biscuit,
Built like a Bulldog,
Scourge of the Spanish Main,
Magnificent Woman!

As she walked away the Coxswain said "I'm glad she's on our side!"

Certainly wouldn't want to be married to such!

 

[Woosh]

today's best read on brexit is this piece on the BBC website:

"Brexit: A lakeside view of Barnier's tough talk"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41141650
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It was notable that he singled out one person by name, the leader of the Eurosceptic, right-wing Dutch Freedom Party, Geert Wilders, who wants the Netherlands to follow the UK out of the EU. He said the "education" was for him and those of a similar mind.

I asked Mr Wilders what he made of this.

"Mr Barnier who is, of course, a person I respect, is talking a lot of nonsense," he said.

"I am a politician and I asked a British institution to make a survey about what would happen if the Dutch would leave the EU. They came up with a result which proved it would hurt, like it is hurting Britain in the short term, but in the long run after three or 4 years our GDP would grow by more than 10%. There are many chances so Mr Barnier will have to look in the mirror if he wants an education."

But Mr Barnier is probably the sort of man who only looks in the mirror with a certain sense of satisfaction.
.....................................................................

I encourage you to read it.

 

[oldgroaner]

today's best read on brexit is this piece on the BBC website:

"Brexit: A lakeside view of Barnier's tough talk"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41141650
........................................................................................................
It was notable that he singled out one person by name, the leader of the Eurosceptic, right-wing Dutch Freedom Party, Geert Wilders, who wants the Netherlands to follow the UK out of the EU. He said the "education" was for him and those of a similar mind.

I asked Mr Wilders what he made of this.

"Mr Barnier who is, of course, a person I respect, is talking a lot of nonsense," he said.

"I am a politician and I asked a British institution to make a survey about what would happen if the Dutch would leave the EU. They came up with a result which proved it would hurt, like it is hurting Britain in the short term, but in the long run after three or 4 years our GDP would grow by more than 10%. There are many chances so Mr Barnier will have to look in the mirror if he wants an education."

But Mr Barnier is probably the sort of man who only looks in the mirror with a certain sense of satisfaction.
.....................................................................

I encourage you to read it.

Is this the man you are speaking of?

And I am to take his utterances as having value, when he is obviously so far to the right to be dangerous to the peace of the Nation he belongs to?
When he uses such inflammatory language?
He is another Politician that is a menace, a rabble rouser.
Barnier is right this man is desperately in need of Education, on how not to be a danger to peace.
And this bit is significant
"I asked a British institution to make a survey about what would happen if the Dutch would leave the EU. They came up with a result which proved it would hurt, like it is hurting Britain in the short term, but in the long run after three or 4 years our GDP would grow by more than 10%."

So he gets his information from the same old discredited bunch as our right wing does? how dumb can he be to believe them?

 

[Woosh]

OG, I quoted Mr Barnier''s wrong choice of words, as they were directed at Geert Wilder, and namely, the Brits.
I have no affinity for the man or his world view.

 

[Woosh]

"David Davis: Norway model is one option for UK after Brexit"

http://www.politico.eu/article/david-davis-norway-model-is-one-option-for-uk-after-brexit/

This piece from politico is the clearest indication that we are heading toward a compromise. All TM needs to do is to replace Mr Johnson by Mr Fox.

Quote:

British officials have stressed that they would prefer a bespoke deal tailored for U.K. interests, while EU officials see EFTA as a preferable readymade model.

 

[oldgroaner]

"David Davis: Norway model is one option for UK after Brexit"

http://www.politico.eu/article/david-davis-norway-model-is-one-option-for-uk-after-brexit/

This piece from politico is the clearest indication that we are heading toward a compromise. All TM needs to do is to replace Mr Johnson by Mr Fox.

Quote:

British officials have stressed that they would prefer a bespoke deal tailored for U.K. interests, while EU officials see EFTA as a preferable readymade model.

It's all about as helpful as reading a Horoscope, far too unspecific and General to mean anything.
Basically it's an admission that the EU are going to point the UK in the direction it finds convenient.

We knew that already.
Negotioation? Cover up for a surrender more like it.
The Big deal is selling it to the Brexit Voters, that's the trick!

 

[anotherkiwi]

Fact: "A rejection of the EU by the UK is perceived by many people in Airbus as a rejection of the values that underpin Airbus,” said the source.

 

[Woosh]

Negotioation? Cover up for a surrender more like it.

that is not true.
it is more likely that the EU will come in due course to accept our point of view regarding the divorce bill, that is we pay what is legally owed. The compromise will be EFTA style payment to the EU budget for years to come.