Brexit, for once some facts.
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Losing your country is probably a phrase used in much the same way as losing your identity and as we all know people do not ever lose their identity no matter how hard anyone tries to make that happen. In fact most of the troubles in the world used to be about exactly that albeit driven by greedy B's wanting to take from others what they failed to earn or create for themselves. In some ways that is the perception many have of the EU.
Indeed they do, as they have been "Educated" read Brainwashed by years of Propaganda intended to put in a negative light., ironically by the very rogues who are doing it to them!
I might agree with you that that is the perception that many in the UK and some in all of the other constitutant countries of the EU , have , but is it a true or a false reality. I would suggest that it is not true but has been a perception foisted by a right wing media . It is very easy to channel the normal sentiment of patriotism and an altruistic regard for ones neighbours into a form of nationalism , then into a feelng of victimhood and then xenophobia.
One needs first of all to be comfortable in one's one identity, then of your group , then of a wider community etc.. it need not be exclusive.
I see myself both as an Irishman and also as an European citizen and being that does not diminish either
Tut tut Dan, you`re not coming across as being in the least bit grateful for what the British have done for you.
It will be very hard indeed to communicate with some of the Sun's pro Brexit readers for example
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vindi621 hour ago
Britain owes the eu NOTHING!! By British constitutional laws we shouldn’t even be in the eu as it was completely illegal.Experts have repeatedly said that Edward Heath had committed treason by taking us into it, and by handing over Britain’s sovereignty without the wishes of the British people.Even our queen, who was head of state at the time had committed treason by allowing Heath to do this.British politics is full of traitors.
Even the Queen had committed Treason ....wow
And
Working class4 hours ago
no penalties or sum paid to E.U on extortion. We should get a rebate for overpayment, we won't be part of their investments, infastructure or pension contributions for the new E.U countries(EXUSSR) no more German E.U. empire, which caused us low wages and higher food prices, NHS and housing demands. Let alone the billions we loose every year for the mass east European movements in millions.
Better not tell him this
"The United Kingdom, the historical advocate of an active EU enlargement policy, including towards Turkey,"
He would throw his rattle out of the Pram!
Or how about
Janner3 hours ago
@Working class Not to forget the millions of manufacturing jobs we've lost, so many of them to those east European accession countries just compounds the disaster that the EU has been for us all!
Ignoring the crass stupidity of these remarks, what is worrying is the intensity of feeling here, as I have pointed out so often when people have been manipulated to hold such extreme views , when reality pricks their bubble, there can only be trouble
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vindi621 hour ago
Britain owes the eu NOTHING!! By British constitutional laws we shouldn’t even be in the eu as it was completely illegal.Experts have repeatedly said that Edward Heath had committed treason by taking us into it, and by handing over Britain’s sovereignty without the wishes of the British people.Even our queen, who was head of state at the time had committed treason by allowing Heath to do this.British politics is full of traitors.
Even the Queen had committed Treason ....wow
And
Working class4 hours ago
no penalties or sum paid to E.U on extortion. We should get a rebate for overpayment, we won't be part of their investments, infastructure or pension contributions for the new E.U countries(EXUSSR) no more German E.U. empire, which caused us low wages and higher food prices, NHS and housing demands. Let alone the billions we loose every year for the mass east European movements in millions.
Better not tell him this
"The United Kingdom, the historical advocate of an active EU enlargement policy, including towards Turkey,"
He would throw his rattle out of the Pram!
Or how about
Janner3 hours ago
@Working class Not to forget the millions of manufacturing jobs we've lost, so many of them to those east European accession countries just compounds the disaster that the EU has been for us all!
Ignoring the crass stupidity of these remarks, what is worrying is the intensity of feeling here, as I have pointed out so often when people have been manipulated to hold such extreme views , when reality pricks their bubble, there can only be trouble
Do you really think the British Government won't ditch the North over the side if it becomes a problem?
A good plan would be to be friendly to your neighbours in the South, as you may need them.
the BBC has reported what Barnier said in Italy.
It is going to be picked up by the right wing press pretty soon:
How on earth could you have inferred that from my post?. You must be psychic!
You might like what George Bernard Shaw, a Dalkey co Dublin boy, said... The greatest gift the English gave Ireland was the English language !!!
.. why wouldn't we be friendly, we are the same people.
what Barnier gets frustrated about is that the Brits are not exactly pressurized for time as he would have expected. The longer it takes to agree on the divorce bill, the more time the Brits have to agree between themselves where brexit will be heading and the more likely that the EU will appreciate the contribution (or lack of it) of the UK in their following budget cycle.
.. certainly a great organisation. Was it the first ?, as there now seems to be similar in the other coastal countries the Dutch one dates from the same year 1824.
Another similar charity would be the blood transfusion services
To be fair... moronic and crass stupid it might be, but, not that far different from the opposite end of the spectrum who are equally able and willing to throw stones and the like when things don't go their way. Such people aren't really anything other than anti- just about anything and everything. The left use bigger words that someone taught them to say - this lot don't appear to have had the advantage of a 'free' education.
Just a little different in that the RNLI is a 'real' charity run by people who give their time for free. I guess some might argue that is simply because the state doesn't provide the service but I find things work better this way. Round pegs in round holes for a change.
That Barnier was flustrated at the press conference was evident, but I suggest not for the reasons you propose. He used the words educate which the British press have chosen to misrepresent "as teaching a lesson".
The UK team seen only now to have started to engage after wasting all that time after triggering article 50.
Remember that there is no working majority in Westminster to ensure that any deal can be worked through. So who exactly is the EU negotiating with?. They , the UK side, are working with the old manifesto, for which there is no mandate.
Barnier and is team either read UK newspapers, or have people who do.
From what I looked at the French , the Dutch and a few others were listed as charities, whereas the German and the American seemed to be arms of the state.