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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Perhaps we should get Trump to rewrite American constitution because OG disagrees with it... I don't get his moaning, it could happen in any regional voting system. Only way to prevent is to add up all losing votes from regions and allocate representation for all those...its sort of what happens...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Do us all a favour and you try it..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG Spent a dew minutes looking for my old " revelation" that I,d voted leave. Got bored, but its there somewhere, but I did notice you have an admirer. He hits your like button before he,s had time to read posts. Must be a psychic admirer...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    South Yorkshire and Rotherham especially is still suffering repercussions from the child abuse scandal , part of which was manifested in area being targetted by EDL. There have been backlashes against both. Brexit came along whilst this situation was still ongoing...so seeing swings one way and...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG/ Tillson It was me who originally said I hadn't voted, and now explained 3 times that I took that line in an attempt to sit on fence, avoid the flack ( or was it flecc). OG misses the posts he wants to, reads in the others what he wants and comments on everything. For the third time now. Yes...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Hang on OG...there are insults but that is below the belt...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its impossible to decide why folk abstain, besides it didn't really affect result. Had result been closer they could have argued all aspects had been weighed up, including representing constituents and knowledge of situation. As it is they simply followed party line. Hardly a way to get best...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You can change your name now OG. Oldgloater is much more appropriate. Killjoy and your point ? MPs voted to keep their coveted places and all it brings in for them. Do you think they voted taking into account the socio-economic considerations or the democratic ones? Because they did neither...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Roughly 35%population voted to leave uk and 77% of MPs voted to invoke art 50. What does this tell is. 1) There are well over double the amount of racist, xenophobic ,uninformed bigots in house of commons than in population at large. 2)All the protesting,;standing on soap boxes;writing on...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sorry OG that's straight over my head... And so glad to see all the oil on troubled waters is working on here... Ahwell. C,est la vie...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    With all due respect Tom, because I do think its important we all try and defuse situation ,don't you think linking this type of behaviour to leavers ( even in jest) is as dangerous and inflammatory as the fools portrayed in the spoof.. It seems to me both are designed to inflame and promote...
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    Just another Thief or doing a Public Service.

    Good post. Things aren't always as they seem.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I,.m still convinced the economic arguments against Brexit are pessimistic. However the now obvious social implications , along lines of the one I mentioned earlier, are beginning to worry me far more than any economic predictions. It seems a lid has been lifted on either end of political...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Was involved in a strange and worrying incident today. Was in a rush getting into town and took a short cut through a passage. In passage were a group of young ,16 ish,Asian lads blocking my exit. They were sheltering out of rain. I walked upto them, said " hiya" . A couple returned greeting...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    To be fair OG what you and I think about Trump is irrelevant... Besides way its looking he might bot be in the Big White House all that long.. I,m not terribly impressed with nearly all American presidents...there are more bad than good..but deciding he,s a bad president after 4 days in job is...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It wasn't clemency. Judge ordered psychiatric assessment and care during remainder of his imprisonment. You all could be right and it show no positives for Trump, but I was impressed by humane stance of judge ;lads defence and even the prosecution...I thought the whole process gave a good...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its not speculation he,s coming home. That's a,fact. Trump knew of case, he was 30 ft from incident. Its not speculation at all saying he could have intervened to enforce harsher punishment. Which is a fact. He could have. Saying he reduced tariff would be speculation. I,m giving credit where...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Again speculation. Fact is lad is coming home. Trump could have insisted on harsh treatment to deter others. He,s certainly a target. I,m not a Trump supporter, but credit where credit due.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Re IQ. Tests were for years biased towards certain classes, cultures and ways of thinking. Modern view of,IQ is ability to cope and thrive in the environment an individual inhabits. Without a doubt Trump is intelligent, he,s certainly thrived in his environment, but then again so did Ghenkis...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That's sheer speculation OG...hypothetical at best. At least see the good when its presented to you...It actually shocked me. I thought 20 years and lad would have committed suicide. Throughout he said he was intending to kill Trump because he thought him a racist.