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Yes. Cars were finding their way to Germany from where German dealers / garage owners were selling them in Northern Italy , Souther France and Northern Spain. I had a friend bring 4 Porsche and 2 merc s 500s to Perpignan by low loader. Turned out one of Mercs had been clocked and had actually...

That's all true. About 8 years ago Porsche Boxsters and 911's could be bought in many parts of eu for under half market value, all originated from Greece. I bought one. Sorry.

For goodness sake Flecc....My point was nothing to do with your reply. I said I find it ironic you would not wish to invest your money in Greece when in actual fact thats exactly what you are doing,if both countries remain within EU. You cant possibly say on the one hand I would not dream of...

But Flecc isn't that at best ironic. You,d refuse to invest your hard earned cash in Greece but willingly allow/ expect others within UK to do so..As trading partners there would be investment going both ways, in manpower and fiscally. We are making an investment with every EU member state if...

You could say it but as usual.it would be BS. And no, even if they had power to bring Hungary, Portugal,Spain, France, Italy and UK into line I would still leave. Just read my posts OG , stop trying to deduce stuff from between lines. You are sh!te at it.

Isn't political spectrum a circle ?? Heard it argued as such before.. No knowing these days...

Good post Kiwi...but I wont be investing in Greece.. Would you ? Seems Flecc would.

I don't like clubs... I see it that EU ( more specifically euro) has caused many of Greece's current problems, but why on earth would you wish to stay in a trading club where you don't trust many of its members, suspect ( actually you assume you know) some members are corrupt with you having...

So why on earth do remainers want to remain alongside them ? Your argument is as strong for leaving EU as mine.. I don't quite see it as you do but if I did I would not want to either carry on bailing them out or have them as economic partners. Either way we are better away , as many there...

You think you do.

History shows otherwise...but you are correct , devaluation is not a cure, but it has proved on many many occasions to be a necessary short term solution. At times there is little else ( quantitive easing? but that has its faults too) A short term boost , attracting tourism, investment...

No I did not. Stop presuming OG. You don't have equipment for it.

Ofcourse you are absolutely correct but those issues are simply compounded by not being able to devalue currency when required.

Spain,Italy,Greece,Portugal and Ireland have needed to devalue currency for years. Its impossible for them to do so and highlights one of main problems with eu and its fiscal control/ policy.

Flecc Yes the programme was reporting around the topics you mentioned but it was totally impartial in doing so. This situation was not portrayed pre June...Government would not have allowed it. It gave reasons behind rise of certain elements, painted a picture of both the economic devastation...

Good programme tonight about Europe/ Brexit.. And unbiased coverage from BBC !!! Showed EU warts and all...really isn't as simple as remainers like to think.

Makes more room for us dinosaurs... Yoof of today...what is world coming to...

Chap that services my cars owns a Tesla S. It is a fantastic car, out accelerates Porsches and running costs negligible...but it cost £60k ( second hand) and according to him it can be recharged to 85% in 30 mins but only with 3 phase supply.( Tesla offer free charging and there is a developing...

yep .I agree with that too. Putting in perspective California, that forward thinking environmentalists heaven, has decreed that all cars used there by 2025 must be capable of 54 mpg..VAG are currently writing software to ensure standards are met... Didn't realise driving license numbers were...

And BAE are second largest supplier of armaments in the world...So NZ better beware..besides WTF do they make...a few sheep and a kiwi or 2...FFS..