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" Given that was in 2005 and Churchill died in 1965 you have assumed an awful lot." Not for OG. He can change dead men,s opinions and thoughts. All in a day,s investigative posting. Its being creative Peter. He,s actually rather clever at it, you really do start to believe him, but then...

Without Tony Benn there would have been no Concorde ...just like now really.( I suppose that's concorde though) Or is OG going to change his opinions too ? Only OG could try and change a dead man's opinions...probably easier than changing mine , or Peter's or the other 17 million leavers, but...

Its not fiction, that stuff goes on..so I,m told.

Some are Flecc. Some. Likewise some remainers are letting side down.. The bus was biggest mistake leave made. Personally think it had no effect on results but I can see why some might think differently.

We might need to book a bus too.

Can we organise a charity event to buy Tom a present, or send him.on holiday somewhere nice. He,s obviously depressed and sad about something. Surely we can do something to cheer the silly old bug4r up..

Very well put and extremely attractive but actually no I dont think I do. I can see the attraction of a USE and that it would probably become the worlds dominant superpower, sort of Orwellian in nature?? Would it be dangerous?? We signed up for the common market Flecc and would end up a 13%...

Flecc I,m happy with our Uk model, why should anyone have right to force on me another level of democracy ( or layer ) which will in 10, 20,30 or 40 yrs time replace our model. You accept there are numerical failings in a democratic system but fail to see the larger the " union" the larger those...

Yes, I totally accept all that. However ,I am not that interested in others views and models of democracy. We have s model of it in UK which although far from perfect is a working model I am very happy with. Without doubt the model the EU adopts will , and already has begun to, replace the...

I believe for a while their phone system was independent of rest of nation.!! That must have taken its toll.. I went to college there for about 5 weeks many many years ago. The pastime over lunch was fighting other colleges... I left, went back to civilised Rotherham. ( a relative term you...

Excellent post. Well written too.

Basically we have no idea which side Churchill would support. At the start of all this his family said exactly that and requested he be left out of discussions. Perhaps we should grant them that wish.. On the Grimsby thing, obviously you are knowledgeable having that wonderful link to...

Err. Is that post or pre Churchill sinking French fleet at Brest ??? Which sort of soured the relationship... I think Petain might have had a bit to say about all those shananigans ( that's French for BS you know) The one thing we know about Churchill is he would have climbed into bed or shot...

That's a full set. I,ll treasure them.

For Tom Automakers call for tariff-free trade between UK and EU after Brexit win Think we could come to some agreement. A few fish for 250,000 Audis. The irony is EU fishing quotas killed our fishing industry. You are a sad individual Tom, not for the political views you hold ( I respect...

Good post OG. Well said.

Cant remember who responded to my deleted post, but anyhow..( think it was the ANother ,joke) I deleted post because I,d quoted Tony Benn, sadly no longer with us and unablle to qualify why he felt EU was not democratic. I also think using his name in response to such down right barbaric posts...

You are looking too deep Steb and you are somewhat mixed up. Please explain how EU and,UK will somehow be less , or more, morally bankrupt post Brexit ? Western Civilisation will not blink, falter or change. We,ve seen immoral behaviour for centuries,what makes you think EU , or us remaining in...

Thanks Steb...another compliment, and a " like" from OG...on same day. What is going on...just waiting for an agree from Tom and I,ll have the set...might be waiting for a while tho...and on reflection do I really want an agree from Tom ?? No, things are never that bad.

And there I was thinking this thread was about Brexit.