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Thanks OG, to be fair I,ve given you quite a few in past.

Yes, the quote I put in actually said no vote was allowed on Brexit/ Remain even though one had been requested. They did , however, agree to support the 4 year interim arrangement for LEAVING... So how is that a support for remain . You must be only person in country arguing Labours stance on...

Google Labour conference 2017...I,ve no axe to grind either way..Personally would prefer Labour to have supported remain beffore the last election...we,d have a better idea of level of support had they done so.

KTM Have a look at their more recent ( September. 2017) conference. They have not reached a decision supporting leaving or remaining, only support for a transitional deal for leaving..??? ( which is sort of contrary to their 2016 result of supporting remain)

They didn't vote KTM so how did you arrive at that ? Personally think if Labour did support remaining it may well pacify rhe situation. At least remainers would have a policy to work towards and support if a another GE was called..????

KTM So the biggest decision our country has probably ever faced and as yet the Labour party and or Corbyn have yet to make a decision over it ? It simply amazes me that remainers see that as acceptable. How on earth can anyone decide to support labour when they take this stance ? It is,as you...

KTM You seem to know more about Corbyn,s and Labours stance on Brexit than the party itself.. This is a small extract from commentary about Septembers party conference. "There will now be no vote on Brexit at this conference – a ludicrous state of affairs. How can Labour claim to be a...

Well put flecc.

But his policy is to leave...I ,ve said same. If there were another ref I,d vote remain to save all this argument. Corbyn and Labour are backing leave. ( they backed motions in HoC saying same) And report I saw said he refused to answer how he voted last time.. But even if he does now support...

I am not my brother's keeper. Flecc So when a fellow remainer attacks leavers,tories,or who ever you feel no responsibility even tho they hide behind remain sentiments and into bargain destroy your own stance.??? ( remainers bringing in anti capitalist, anti fascist,anti tory, anti Brexit...

You really cant help yourself can you OG? Yes BJ would not make a perfect PM but then again who would. You dont want May, Johnson,Cameron, Clegg or (I,m assuming ) Corbyn with his anti EU stance...so who do you want ? Atlee perhaps ? You just cant tell us what you want, only that you dont...

Can you be united to two bodies of people? Sort of contradiction isn't it ? Mutually exclusive ? United Kingdom part of another Union ? I,m. not sure ?? Is UK united ? Is,EU really a Union..ask UK, Spain , Catalan and a few others.

Sorry flecc, they are not facts. They are your chosen interpretation of limited data presented. They are IMHO far from facts. Facts are we have no viable home grown car industry. The coal and steel industries were decimated whilst part of EU. Investment has for a long time been financila and...

Yes, I know you THINK all that and its a credible argument, but I do not THINK all that. ( but apologies for banding you with Tom etc, you,re arguments do hold substance, I just disagree with them) I do not attribute any of our success to EU and I do not think EU has done much towards...

That's probably the case OG but what on earth has it got to do with leave or stay in EU.. Its exactly why remain is in such a mess. There is a problem with capitalism, its not perfect by any means but A) There isn't really a viable alternative. B) EU are one of its biggest proponents.. Again...

We,ve been part of EU since 73 , which protectionist laws for the poor have we seen ? Your argument about EU being this all powerful caring organisation has never made sense OG. Were it the case we wouldn't be in the mess you point us to now. ( By the way its Lewis Hamilton, but in principle I...

The conservative government wanted to remain. Corbyn always wanted out. And that's another reason remainers mixed wishes have been ignored. You,ve made Brexit / Remain into a class war, which it is not. You have attempted to blame everything on Tories ( and Murdoch press) from Fascism of 40:s to...

If that were truly case you would have lost reason to post months ago. What you really desire ( and its not a pleasant trait) is for us all to fall flat on our faces while you sit back scoff and say I told you so. A coat holder. As a kid at school always some kid willing to hold your coat,offer...

It seems so defeatist by remainers. How many have attended meetings, organised protests, rallies, written letters. Lobbied MP,s. I know KTM was involved in an organisation but its been the preserve of most remainers to simply accept everything as a fait accompli ( no idea how that's spelt) and...

But you work or strive for no alternative ??? If remain had concentrated their efforts positively they may well have developed representation by an appreciative politician. As it is remainers just come over as negative, mocking and with no real motivation for change. Its a type of grudging...