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  1. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You lost the tender, to a company who it now turns out were using a local business for their servicing. I can see why the council went with it, best of both worlds surely? If you've just forgotten their name, can you remember it then? I really am interested to know which Dutch company is...
  2. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So the tax payer in the UK got the best deal... what's not to like?? They might be employing a number of people locally to service the bikes, so it could actually benefit the UK more than you supplying bikes. UK tax payer got a cheaper deal, so its win win for UK isn't it? EDIT Sorry just...
  3. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    yes, we're special... and we're throwing that aware. Us as an outsider trying to negotiate deals with the members won't work.
  4. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    what about selling all our energy demand to the French / Chinese, or we're about to sell Vauxhall to the French... Have a look at football, which clubs in the top flight are UK owned, not many is the answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs What time in...
  5. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You do realise, that the point of the EU club is that you can't negotiate with individual nations... that's the point.
  6. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You're clearly on the supplier list for Southend, so just phone them and ask them and post it here. I'd be interested to know.
  7. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    oh, so bypass the UK completely, that'll please the people who run the severn bridge crossing, the ferry companies, the service stations etc etc etc. Great for the UK economy that plan... brilliant.
  8. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Why are you so worried about divulging the name of the winning bidder, its got to be public knowledge if they won??
  9. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, but there will be someone from London who'll want the business. Here is the list of companies that win tenders with Southend Council, so the winner of your bid will be public knowledge... so I ask again, which is the Dutch company you've never heard of...
  10. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, but as pointed out above, you don't think barriers will be put in the way of Irish exports into the UK, so the same will be the same for the Dutch imports you don't like. Post Brexit the councils will still be able to buy from anywhere in the global market place. What I'm saying is that...
  11. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    yes, again - that's not the fault of the EU. There are big players in the UK, who are just going to get more and more aggressive with ebikes, if geography is your only competitive edge, you're going to need to look at your strategy, Trek / Raleigh etc etc aren't small time. Yes, you can tell...
  12. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So you just need to broaden your horizons and realise you're competing across Europe, and equally can sell across Europe. Its a market, just like the UK is, just bigger. With that comes competition and opportunity. Who is this Dutch company you've never heard of, and how is it the EU's fault...
  13. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So who's this mystery supplier you've not heard of? no, my standpoint is from our dealers point of view. I'm representing KTM dealers one of whom might have competed for that tender too, I don't know and they might have been upset that you're selling direct and bypassing the shops, but that is...
  14. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    that's nonsense logic. Which UK company is making eBikes from scratch... NO ONE. So using us an example, but it could just as easily be Trek, Haibike, Kudos, etc etc. You find you've lost a tender to us direct, or to one of our dealers. So you complain... big deal?? You won't know if the...
  15. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    How can you disagree?? So we leave the EU, you're now "just" competing with UK based firms. I could decide we want to make a marketing push in a certain area and invest £10,000 in getting a load of bikes and giving them to dealers to help them win some tenders. How would you as Woosh compete...
  16. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, our posts crossed. Your problem is with competition, not with the EU rules. Your issues would be the same outside the EU, because UK companies can do what you've described, easily. Its not about the EU, its about you now competing in an eBike market that has big players involved with...
  17. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    A big UK distributor or brand will be able to beat any "dealers" quote. There is no way a shop will be able to beat people further up the supply chain if they are competing on price. Tendering is about successfully justifying your price, not about being the cheapest.
  18. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    yes, and that's my point. If you're pushing eBikes to tender, even if you restrict it to the UK, you're going to now find you're competing against big UK guns, like Trek, Scott etc etc. They can easily beat you on price, because they can loose this bikes as simply a marketing expense and make...
  19. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    yes, but that's just nonsense, if we're wanted to we have KTM's power and size and we could simply deal with all the councils direct from our UK HQ and easily crush all the local suppliers. We choose not to supply direct to councils etc etc, for a number of reasons... personally i believe the...
  20. KTM Bike Industries UK

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    you do realise how little sense this makes. So when you're talking to one person, you're saying there won't be barriers to Irish suppliers... see below but you're expecting a post brexit UK to protect you from Dutch competition. If it did protect you from the Dutch, it would be by barriers...