Brexit, for once some facts.

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

your standpoint is front the distribution. If you were to spend hours and days prepping the tender document and then discover that among the competitors, there are EU companies that you have never heard of, you'd feel the chill. Trust me on this.
You'd ask yourself the question: why do I and my co-workers pay the taxes so that the deal can go to an EU guy that has never invested in this country and nobody has heard of?

So who's this mystery supplier you've not heard of?

no, my standpoint is from our dealers point of view. I'm representing KTM dealers one of whom might have competed for that tender too, I don't know and they might have been upset that you're selling direct and bypassing the shops, but that is beside the point.

You're not happy you lost the tender, I get that... but you'd have been just as unhappy if it had been a UK company, because they could be paying their business rates to a different council... etc.

 

[oldtom]

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Tom

 

[Woosh]

but you'd have been just as unhappy if it had been a UK company, because they could be paying their business rates to a different council... etc.

No, I would not be criticising the EU today if I had lost to a UK competitor because on a personal level, I like to be in the EU. I lived in France and Germany many years and can always live there again.
You know very well that before you decide to take on a tender and submit your bid, you would look around to size up potential competitors.
The EU rules introduce unknown unknowns.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

No, I would not be criticising the EU today if I had lost to a UK competitor because on a personal level, I like to be in the EU. I lived in France and Germany many years and can always live there again.
You know very well that before you decide to take on a tender and submit your bid, you would look around to size up potential competitors.
The EU rules introduce unknown unknowns.

So you just need to broaden your horizons and realise you're competing across Europe, and equally can sell across Europe. Its a market, just like the UK is, just bigger. With that comes competition and opportunity.

Who is this Dutch company you've never heard of, and how is it the EU's fault you've not heard of them??

 

[Jimod]

You'd ask yourself the question: why do I and my co-workers pay the taxes so that the deal can go to an EU guy that has never invested in this country and nobody has heard of?

That's still the fault of your council, not the EU. We had a similar thing up here involving the Scottish government who blamed the EU for forcing them to put the islands ferry routes out to tender. A foreign company were allegedly going to be cheaper. It took the threat of strike action to stop Sturgeon in her tracks. The irony is, the company who ran the ferries and still runs them now, are owned by the Scottish government

 

[Woosh]

With that comes competition and opportunity.

yes, opportunities for the big guys and costs for the small guys.

Who is this Dutch company you've never heard of

You know I can't be specific on this.

 

[Woosh]

It took the threat of strike action to stop Sturgeon in her tracks.

yes, that is the right course of action if it comes to that. The French do this all the time, it's called direct action.
The EU sees the jobs as a labour 'market', a commodity to be traded. What happens to the people whose jobs have been traded?

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

yes, opportunities for the big guys and costs for the small guys.

yes, again - that's not the fault of the EU. There are big players in the UK, who are just going to get more and more aggressive with ebikes, if geography is your only competitive edge, you're going to need to look at your strategy, Trek / Raleigh etc etc aren't small time.

You know I can't be specific on this.

Yes, you can tell us the name of the company who won the tender. Its a public contract, and they won. So it'll be out in the public domain. You can say who won.

 

[Woosh]

if geography is your only competitive edge, you're going to need to look at your strategy

That's why I am not worried by brexit.

So it'll be out in the public domain. You can say who won

My comments are in relation to brexit. If someone asks what I think of the tendering process, I will of course have no comment.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

That's why I am not worried by brexit.

Yes, but as pointed out above, you don't think barriers will be put in the way of Irish exports into the UK, so the same will be the same for the Dutch imports you don't like. Post Brexit the councils will still be able to buy from anywhere in the global market place.

What I'm saying is that if you want the border to protect you from the evil dutch and their discounting, it won't... because there are big companies in the UK now looking at the eBike market and they will make the dutch look small fry.

My comments are in relation to brexit. If someone asks what I think of the tendering process, I will of course have no comment.

you're saying a Dutch company who, who you've not heard of. Which company won?

 

[Woosh]

Post Brexit the councils will still be able to buy from anywhere in the global market place.

Yes, but they wouldn't have to ask the whole of the EU to come to Southend to take out the little guys.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Yes, but they wouldn't have to ask the whole of the EU to come to Southend to take out the little guys.

Yes, but there will be someone from London who'll want the business.

Here is the list of companies that win tenders with Southend Council, so the winner of your bid will be public knowledge... so I ask again, which is the Dutch company you've never heard of?

https://procontract.due-north.com/ContractsRegister/Index?resetFilter=True&applyFilter=True&p=b16526a7-7dbd-e611-8118-000c29c9ba21&v=1

 

[Danidl]

Very possibly.
There is nothing to stop these tactics.



Look into details. What barriers can you think of?
It's not like the UK is going to stop buying Irish agricultural produce after brexit.

The lorries bringing Viagra to the hungry masses in France from the factory in Cork will be caught and delayed in the customs barriers at Liverpool and LeHavre . (More poetic licence, for the week that's in it I don't know the exact route followed. )

 

[Woosh]

so I ask again, which is the Dutch company you've never heard of?

That register has too few listings, that contract is not in the register.

 

[Woosh]

The lorries bringing Viagra to the hungry masses in France from the factory in Cork will be caught and delayed in the customs barriers at Liverpool and LeHavre . (More poetic licence, for the week that's in it I don't know the exact route followed. )

ferries from Dublin to Cherbourg, Rosslare to Roscoff, are they still running?

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

That register has too few listings, that contract is not in the register.

Why are you so worried about divulging the name of the winning bidder, its got to be public knowledge if they won??

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

ferries from Dublin to Cherbourg, Rosslare to Roscoff, are they still running?

oh, so bypass the UK completely, that'll please the people who run the severn bridge crossing, the ferry companies, the service stations etc etc etc. Great for the UK economy that plan... brilliant.

 

[Woosh]

Why are you so worried about divulging the name of the winning bidder, its got to be public knowledge if they won??

I remember the guy's face but not his name and his company. The register you linked to is useful but there are many more contracts that are simply not listed, otherwise, you only have to find the entries with bikes in their texts.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

I remember the guy's face but not his name and his company. The register you linked to is useful but there are many more contracts that are simply not listed, otherwise, you only have to find the entries with bikes in their texts.

You're clearly on the supplier list for Southend, so just phone them and ask them and post it here. I'd be interested to know.

 

[Danidl]

ferries from Dublin to Cherbourg, Rosslare to Roscoff, are they still running?

ferries from Dublin to Cherbourg, Rosslare to Roscoff, are they still running?

Yes , some are seasonable, some once per week., Whether it's cost or otherwise there is an established route through UK to access to mainland Europe. My point was not on logistics but on the fact that barriers create friction on movement and generate higher costs.

The Irish market is closely aligned with the UK market and a significant number of household brands are common from biscuits to dogfood and electric standards we are a common market, to date. . Having a barrier, no matter how much it is intended to be minimised, will raise costs both for UK exports and UK imports.