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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    yes, if the market was a rational, all-seeing empirical/scientific animal teh first part of what you say woudl be true. Unfortunately it's not (it's a bunch of very human self serving creatures known as investors who behave completely irrationally much of the time). In south africa th epowers...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    this is a semi tangent, but: as i was booking a european holiday last night i realised that teh pound is dipping again. it reminds me of what is happening in south africa: there public option (about seriously industrial scale government corruption) is - or was - contemptuously brushed aside by...
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    New Top Gear was Pants

    curiously i read clarkson in the sunday times in a cafe today (cant get myself to buy murdoch crap for actual money). however, clarkson seemed better (worth a read if anyone feels that way inclined), he seems to have regained some mojo fromo being sacked and through a crisis. It's weird - in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Call me naive if you like,but this is where I disagree completely with a points based immigration system like Australia that wants to milk the world,and often third world,of it's skilled labour and give nothing in return. I'm afraid I like being part of a European union where one contributes as...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    there is also the small matter of a second scottish referendum (with a very, very predictable outcome), and so probably the break up of the union, and speaking for myself and others i work with who have moved here over the past ten years or so, considerable emigration from the UK elsewhere.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    that, imho, is the crux of almost all of the brexit argument - forever self interest (my money, my benefits, my hospital place, my school place, me, me, me, let vulnerable migrants drown, what do i get from europe?). it's curious the unashamed entitlement of it all.
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    Kenda tyres

    Third that,they're also fairly free running,quite grippy(except touring models strangely), I have them on everything,from 349 brompton to 28. Only size they don't work is 23mm 700c in which they oddly have high rolling resistance. On my brompton,after around 10k miles,it's wearing into...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well I'm glad we're all okish again,I enjoy disagreement on the forum,even robustly,it challenges my perceptions. It's why I vote for not leaving,Britain will be a truly insular little shadow of itself alone.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Nope,it's not lack of evidence,its that some conversations aren't worth having. I'm trying to get the forum to set some boundaries,as much for your sake as anyone elses. Which part of spewing obscenities and being offensive reflects good on anything English British brexit or yourself?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I don't think this level of personal abuse should be tolerated on the forum. The administrators should remove these posts.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    "repelling" sounds wonderfully romantic, almost napoleonic (i have an image of all of us, in our glory, lining the white cliffs with front loaders and muskets; although we coudl just be repellant i guess, perhaps fart in their general direction). Morality aside, what did you ahve in mind with...
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    New Top Gear was Pants

    I dunno, IMHO there's something about Evans' Clarkson impression - the "lets not change the recipe it worked before" approach that feels contrived, demeaning of viewers, about viewing figures only. Does he not have anything original to offer (and I don't just mean ito Top Gear)?
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    Leaving the EU

    Choosing whether or not one feels guilty is perhaps not the issue: the same political class that sanction tax havens(and get paid off like say the Cameron's) or wage illegal wars outside Europe make decisions about UK citizens pensionfunds, benefits,and brexit. Yes,it's no surprise British...
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    Leaving the EU

    yes a lot about that isnt right at all. but where to start? the way uk tax havens is paret of a world in which most people cant afford basic health care so that some can have hundreds of millions; or families drowning in the med as part of a middle east destabilised by uk/us regime change...
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    Leaving the EU

    what exactly does a commonwealth citizen "look" like?
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    Leaving the EU

    i see what you mean with the slowing of rate of development, i heard a similar argument at work yesterday - that brexit will be good for britain because it will make house prices collapse, which will make it possible for first time buyers to afford property. It wasnt meant tongue in cheek or...
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    Leaving the EU

    the european stagnation is one side of the coin (and i agree with you about it) - but the economic growth miracle that is britain is unfortunately in reality a place where workers pensions are degraded, the disabled loose benefits and public services are run into the ground so that philip greens...
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    Leaving the EU

    but is Europe more developed/developing than the UK? over subsidised agricultural France isn't, underlawful Italy doesn't seem it. my (highly biased) fantasy is that a brexit uk will fly off on a t-tipped relationship with USA and become a corporate sh%t hole obsessed with economic growth - next...
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    Leaving the EU

    It doesn't help for this debate to get polarised, but - respectfully - I disagree with you: quality of life is not mainly about money - it's mainly about relationships, community. Life is not and act of consumption - its a shared experience. There is part of it that is about money (we all have...
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    Leaving the EU

    well, they're a mixed bag: certainly they're not all as utterly preoccupied with what they have, can get, may loose as you seem to be. Where I work in the NHS they are in fact mostly immigrants (you'll be in very, very deep doggy do when you need specialist care if all the immigrants have...