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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    well the bigger picture - more and more media and websites exposing the racism, lies and xenophobic destruction at the heart of the brexit movement - certainly is informative. If he wasnt such a repulsive right wing roach, and jo cox's death wasnt so tragic, i'd almost want to thank thomas mair...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Oddly I get more a pastiche of you and Brendan,in a primary school playground that is still such a big part of things, so much for don't play the person huh?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OK, here's me trying to be more aa\dult than i really am (and see teh otehr point of view). I agree with you (that teh facts wpont cut it with brexiters who have a chip on teh shoudler about immigration), and never will. if i can be permitetd to use this thread for a moment as group tehrapy and...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    i suspect you havent been living in london lately? have a godo look atthis unbiased reprot of boris' track record http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36170239 to me that paints a rosy picture of an opportunistic politician who does not really care
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    i suspect we all have our feelings about the referendum - and then the rational parts of ourselves that really know what will happen in the real world: one way or another - feelings aside - i suspect very little will change - either we'll stay in or, having voted out, we will also stay in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    exactly what i thought, and the two holding the flag have the kind of fixed, obsessed looks one has when thinking, hard, about going to the toilet. so that would leave a dilemma as to who will hold the flag?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    one answer is that that is exactly what is very likely to happen, not just now, but also in the lead up to the referendum. rightly or wrongly, i think it a good thing - i beleiev most voters are essentially decent, and in my view what's underneath the brexit tarnish is pretty bloody ugly.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    i agree, brexit is part of a racist far right swing across europe, like marine le pen in france or petry in germany. It's a terrible thing that happened, and naturally one wishes it didnt - but perhaps it opens the eyes of those who arent so self obvsessed that they cant see and influences teh...
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    A Poem about my Electric Bike

    ok, here's my honest one to my electric bike that's at presenet in intensive care: Your wheels are bent Your spokes are loose Your rack is cracked Your brakes are worse I thought you bad But now youre worse i was thinking of a tom waits song one might be able to hum that to..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    there is this http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f44e8a6e-2f2a-11e6-bf8d-26294ad519fc.html to be fair i feel as ambivalent about it all as everyone else, both sides seem deeply insincere and self serving (this ft article saying big corporations want in and smaller businesses out to escape eu directives...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    that will make the likely breakup of the union - with scotland (and probably wales) rejoining the EU after a brexit really quite ironic, leaving London carrying the can (of delusional nirvana brexiteers have such fantasies about)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    mostly agree with you, but for fact that the average trump supporter no doubt think they "are opting for something not yet on offer", when in reality opting for something even more populist and corrupt than status quo. only analogy I can think of is listening to radio this AM and hearing chief...
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    Which bike under £1,000?

    that's true, but somehow i think a brompton with a kit may nonetheless outlive most £1000 pedelecs - i know its an unpalatable thing to say on a pedelec forum - i'm hoping the manufactuers who read this take it as sincere customer feedback: there is a problem with the quality of the components...
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    Which bike under £1,000?

    by whom (and for what purpose)? on a commuter steel certainly isnt cheap, and alloy (or carbon)definitely not progress. There are reasons why brompton takes marketshare, big time, from Dahon and destroyd the likes of mezzo (and i own a mezzo, as well), both made of "progressive" alloys.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    too true - try to imagine what a parralel universe in which the likes of priti patel ("the EU creates an unnecessary burden of workers' rights") or chris gryling ("the recession is due to consumers not living within their means") will really be like
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    Which bike under £1,000?

    this falls under the "any thought" category: three years down the lien form owning an ebike, ive stopped using it and returned to regualry cycling a 21 mile commute (10.5 each way) to work on a brompton. The ebike did its job 0of getting an unfit me back into cycling, BUT - if i had an unhilly...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    but it is morbidly fascinating: bush and blair left us the current syria/iraq/iran/egypt fiasco. With any luck cameron will leave us the break up of the union (and perhaps the EU). To do justice to these kind of levels of national leadership a future boris and trump would at least have to...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    yes, where i work in the NHS i saw two Polish patients the past two weeks and remarked to a colleague how seldom we see immigrants (to be fair, it is the leafy shires). But if brexit happens how ironic that a little envy (everyone must know by now immigrants make a substantial net contribution...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    strangely, speaking as a corbynite, i half agree: of course it is good strategy for corbyn to do nothing while teh tories self destruct (any input from him would simply duistract tehm fromo slaughtering each other). But what an unsatisfactory place to be with politicians who are either corrupt...
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    About to purchase Kalkhoff Agattu 8 - advice appreciated

    this is second hand: i have a close friend who has one and have triedit many times. It' a small frame, but stillto me seems pretty large (and i'm 1.8M). i woudl buy one: the positives is the geometry (i love it, very relaxed, but one can put power down), teh 8 speed nexus (indestructible, she...