TONIGHT 9pm: - E-Bikes: The Battle for Our Streets - Panorama

[Hoppy33]

Theirs are even more safety conscious. If the system recognises symptoms of an impending fault, your battery won't start nor accept charging. I hope we'll get solid state batteries soon for ebikes. Solid state battery cells don't have electrolyte so do not burn.

All good stuff, but I have a hunch that a major cause of many (most?) battery problems is simply related to dropping the damn things. It’s so easily done and inevitably causes damage. Perhaps even worse is that the battery may well appear to work okay after taking a tumble. Until it doesn’t.

Edit: The other thing about battery safety is negative public perception of fire risk. This is hitting ebike sales directly, bike shops can’t get insurance and employers and landlords are banning them.

 

[Woosh]

I reckon the risk of fire for lithium ion ebike batteries is about 1 in 5,000 years. However, the damage of a fire may be several thousand times the cost of a battery, so it makes sense to eliminate that risk.

 

[lenny]

Coulsdon shop owner hits out at BBC over ‘souped-up’ bikes

An angry Croydon retailer has told the producers of Panorama that, ‘Finding a wolf in sheep’s clothing should not be a reason to attack the sheep’ A Coulsdon-based bike shop has filed a…

insidecroydon.com

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I thought you may be interested in the BBC’s response to my complaint…

Reference CAS-7998555-P3T4T5

Dear Mr Miall,

Thank you for contacting the BBC about the recent Panorama – E Bikes: The Battle for our Streets. We are happy to address your concerns, though we don’t agree that the programme was “abysmal sensationalism,” as you claim.

Instead, the film explored the growing use of e-bikes on Britain’s roads and legitimate concerns about whether or not the UK’s towns and cities have adapted sufficiently. It was not an attack on the e bike industry and we are confident it was factually accurate. Throughout the programme, contributors outlined both positive and negative aspects of e bikes. Viewers will have heard that e bikes (in their various forms) are beneficial for the environment, convenient for users and often fun to ride.

We felt it was important to look at illegal e-bikes due to a growing concerns from councils, police forces and citizens about "e-bikes" of every form, not only EAPCs.

We also believe that our interviewees were appropriate and well informed.

The programme’s description of the laws governing e-bikes was sufficiently comprehensive, though it did not cover all of the circumstances you have outlined in your email.

The government guidelines state that EAPCs "must have a maximum power output of 250 watts” and bikes should be labelled as such. This means that the continuous rated power should be no more than 250 watts. While there are circumstances when an e-bike’s power output might briefly exceed the 250 watt rate in a surge, that’s not what the law is designed to stop. Therefore we feel the commentary in the programme was accurate.

The programme accurately described how a throttle can be used. The commentary stated that the "motor should only work while you’re pedalling, not by pressing a button.” As you state, the UK law allows for "walk assistance" for up to 6 km/h with the spirit of the law meant to help people push a heavier bike when walking, not riding the bike.

Cycling UK is one of the biggest cycling organisations in the country. Its guidance says that an “e bike’s pedals must be in motion for motor assistance to be provided.”

While it is possible to get an e-bike reclassified as an e-moped (and then have a throttle that can provide assistance greater than 6 kph), this requires an application to the DVSA and potential mechanical changes to the vehicle.

The police and councils we spoke to while making this programme say this is rare and does not represent the broad experience of the authorities in the UK’s towns and cities. The bikes that our research uncovered being offered on the ‘Cycle To Work’ scheme had no such reclassification.

You say that your business has sold of “100s” of e bikes which have then been re-classified but our research has uncovered that in many places across the country police and councils feel overwhelmed by illegal e-bikes which have no such classification.

Thank you for offering to take part in a future programme. We will consider this proposal, if we return to this subject.

We hope this addresses your concerns.

All the best, David

 

[lenny]

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www.ofcom.org.uk

 

[Az.]

I thought you may be interested in the BBC’s response to my complaint…

Well... at least you tried.
...but it looks like they know better.

 

[saneagle]

I thought you may be interested in the BBC’s response to my complaint…

Reference CAS-7998555-P3T4T5

Dear Mr Miall,

Thank you for contacting the BBC about the recent Panorama – E Bikes: The Battle for our Streets. We are happy to address your concerns, though we don’t agree that the programme was “abysmal sensationalism,” as you claim.

Instead, the film explored the growing use of e-bikes on Britain’s roads and legitimate concerns about whether or not the UK’s towns and cities have adapted sufficiently. It was not an attack on the e bike industry and we are confident it was factually accurate. Throughout the programme, contributors outlined both positive and negative aspects of e bikes. Viewers will have heard that e bikes (in their various forms) are beneficial for the environment, convenient for users and often fun to ride.

We felt it was important to look at illegal e-bikes due to a growing concerns from councils, police forces and citizens about "e-bikes" of every form, not only EAPCs.

We also believe that our interviewees were appropriate and well informed.

The programme’s description of the laws governing e-bikes was sufficiently comprehensive, though it did not cover all of the circumstances you have outlined in your email.

The government guidelines state that EAPCs "must have a maximum power output of 250 watts” and bikes should be labelled as such. This means that the continuous rated power should be no more than 250 watts. While there are circumstances when an e-bike’s power output might briefly exceed the 250 watt rate in a surge, that’s not what the law is designed to stop. Therefore we feel the commentary in the programme was accurate.

The programme accurately described how a throttle can be used. The commentary stated that the "motor should only work while you’re pedalling, not by pressing a button.” As you state, the UK law allows for "walk assistance" for up to 6 km/h with the spirit of the law meant to help people push a heavier bike when walking, not riding the bike.

Cycling UK is one of the biggest cycling organisations in the country. Its guidance says that an “e bike’s pedals must be in motion for motor assistance to be provided.”

While it is possible to get an e-bike reclassified as an e-moped (and then have a throttle that can provide assistance greater than 6 kph), this requires an application to the DVSA and potential mechanical changes to the vehicle.

The police and councils we spoke to while making this programme say this is rare and does not represent the broad experience of the authorities in the UK’s towns and cities. The bikes that our research uncovered being offered on the ‘Cycle To Work’ scheme had no such reclassification.

You say that your business has sold of “100s” of e bikes which have then been re-classified but our research has uncovered that in many places across the country police and councils feel overwhelmed by illegal e-bikes which have no such classification.

Thank you for offering to take part in a future programme. We will consider this proposal, if we return to this subject.

We hope this addresses your concerns.

All the best, David

Every time I've complained, I was treated with the same arrogance. It's like their goal is to make you angrier. It's best to not get involved with them: Don't watch their stuff, don't read it, don't make an account with them and don't pay for a TV license, otherwise you turn out like Woosh and that other guy. I think they've been hypnotised by the BBC, so they're living in a trance, completely unaware of reality.

 

[Woosh]

Every time I've complained, I was treated with the same arrogance. It's like their goal is to make you angrier. It's best to not get involved with them: Don't watch their stuff, don't read it, don't make an account with them and don't pay for a TV license, otherwise you turn out like Woosh and that other guy. I think they've been hypnotised by the BBC, so they're living in a trance, completely unaware of reality.

the BBC is not owned by a billionaire like UK and US TV channels and newspapers.

 

[soundwave]

its owned buy the government same as ch4 and why we are forced to pay the licence fee for there government propaganda lies and bs

no fee no bbc info wars gets more views than msm all together

• The government is involved in choosing the BBC's chair and periodically renews the BBC's charter.

 

[MikelBikel]

Boring Billhooks Corpseration.
Of its £5bn in 2020, £3.5B public licence, £1.3B commercial.. Gold & Dave channels, etc, etc
According to Full Fact..
Oh and billionaires like .. gill bates

BBC receives millions from the Gates Foundation - BigTechtopia

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has provided millions of pounds in funding to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) over

bigtechtopia.com

Small change.. For "charity" of course!

 

[saneagle]

the BBC is not owned by a billionaire like UK and US TV channels and newspapers.

What about their charity that all the money goes through?
Meet the BBC's international charity

 

[Woosh]

What about their charity that all the money goes through?
Meet the BBC's international charity

what are you saying about that charity? I can't see that money would influence the BBC's editorial.

 

[soundwave]

BBC Children in Need chair resigns over grants to scandal-hit charity

Rosie Millard quit over grants for LGBT youth charity whose ex-chief was convicted of child sex assaults.

www.bbc.co.uk

dont worry Jim ill fix it with his big bbc right up the ass or get the news man to buy ur dirty knickers online

be shagging the dogs next, oh yeah
Arthur Eric Rowton Gill (22 February 1882 – 17 November 1940) was an English sculptor, letter cutter, typeface designer, and printmaker. Although the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography describes Gill as "the greatest artist-craftsman of the twentieth century: a letter-cutter and type designer of genius", he is also a figure of considerable controversy following the revelations of his sexual abuse of two of his daughters and of his pet dog.

bummer

 

[soundwave]

upgrade time

 

[saneagle]

what are you saying about that charity? I can't see that money would influence the BBC's editorial.

Seriously, if you only get your news from the BBC, how are you going to know what's going on. What do you think is the reason that the BBC has a charity? Does the inland revenue have one?

 

[soundwave]

Seriously, if you only get your news from the BBC, how are you going to know what's going on. What do you think is the reason that the BBC has a charity? Does the inland revenue have one?

he pays tax id keep all my money in china

no tax bitch 43kg robot 7.50 postage beat that
ill sell it 5k gold or silver or a nice 50 cal

 

[Woosh]

Seriously, if you only get your news from the BBC, how are you going to know what's going on. What do you think is the reason that the BBC has a charity? Does the inland revenue have one?

there are other large news gathering organisations too. France has AFP, USA has AP. None is perfect but some are more trustworthy than others. You can always find fault with the BBC or any of the above but the difference is they are happy to be fact checked because they are treated as publishers in the first place, unlike social platforms which treat popular opinions as real facts. Did you see that the Times lost a case on EVs sales a couple of days ago (13/Jan)? It was an opinion piece that got presented as fact. The piece argued that EV sales were going down in 2024 instead of going up.

 

[portals]

I thought you may be interested in the BBC’s response to my complaint…

Reference CAS-7998555-P3T4T5

Dear Mr Miall,

Thank you for contacting the BBC about the recent Panorama – E Bikes: The Battle for our Streets. We are happy to address your concerns, though we don’t agree that the programme was “abysmal sensationalism,” as you claim.

Instead, the film explored the growing use of e-bikes on Britain’s roads and legitimate concerns about whether or not the UK’s towns and cities have adapted sufficiently. It was not an attack on the e bike industry and we are confident it was factually accurate. Throughout the programme, contributors outlined both positive and negative aspects of e bikes. Viewers will have heard that e bikes (in their various forms) are beneficial for the environment, convenient for users and often fun to ride.

We felt it was important to look at illegal e-bikes due to a growing concerns from councils, police forces and citizens about "e-bikes" of every form, not only EAPCs.

We also believe that our interviewees were appropriate and well informed.

The programme’s description of the laws governing e-bikes was sufficiently comprehensive, though it did not cover all of the circumstances you have outlined in your email.

The government guidelines state that EAPCs "must have a maximum power output of 250 watts” and bikes should be labelled as such. This means that the continuous rated power should be no more than 250 watts. While there are circumstances when an e-bike’s power output might briefly exceed the 250 watt rate in a surge, that’s not what the law is designed to stop. Therefore we feel the commentary in the programme was accurate.

The programme accurately described how a throttle can be used. The commentary stated that the "motor should only work while you’re pedalling, not by pressing a button.” As you state, the UK law allows for "walk assistance" for up to 6 km/h with the spirit of the law meant to help people push a heavier bike when walking, not riding the bike.

Cycling UK is one of the biggest cycling organisations in the country. Its guidance says that an “e bike’s pedals must be in motion for motor assistance to be provided.”

While it is possible to get an e-bike reclassified as an e-moped (and then have a throttle that can provide assistance greater than 6 kph), this requires an application to the DVSA and potential mechanical changes to the vehicle.

The police and councils we spoke to while making this programme say this is rare and does not represent the broad experience of the authorities in the UK’s towns and cities. The bikes that our research uncovered being offered on the ‘Cycle To Work’ scheme had no such reclassification.

You say that your business has sold of “100s” of e bikes which have then been re-classified but our research has uncovered that in many places across the country police and councils feel overwhelmed by illegal e-bikes which have no such classification.

Thank you for offering to take part in a future programme. We will consider this proposal, if we return to this subject.

We hope this addresses your concerns.

All the best, David

Thanks for posting this, as it stands you cannot beat the beat the big machine with words, get the producer on the radio or a podcast or interview then dismantle them point by point...'it's our only hope'...

 

[portals]

Did someone say cats?

Meet Ms 'what the fck are you looking at' Lola!




She's a 5yrs old long haired Persian born in Abu Dhabi and came over here on her own cat passport (Mr Bond....)!

After nearly a week she has come out of her shell, ooft, more tummy rubs please or I will have you eaten by a shark!

What a wee smasher, waited 3+yrs and am sure Muffin would approve.

 

[saneagle]

Did someone say cats?

Meet Ms 'what the fck are you looking at' Lola!

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She's a 5yrs old long haired Persian born in Abu Dhabi and came over here on her own cat passport (Mr Bond....)!

After nearly a week she has come out of her shell, ooft, more tummy rubs please or I will have you eaten by a shark!

What a wee smasher, waited 3+yrs and am sure Muffin would approve.


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Is she deaf? Most white cats are. Our one used to go nuts on firework night, chasing up and down the garden after the bright lights because she couldn't hear the bangs.