TONIGHT 9pm: - E-Bikes: The Battle for Our Streets - Panorama

[MikelBikel]

BA complains to BBC about Panorama e-bike misrepresentation

The Bicycle Association has sent a formal complaint to the BBC about recent coverage of e-bikes and illegal e-motorbikes on the Panorama programme. Now updated with BBC response.

bicycleassociation.org.uk

 

[MikelBikel]

it's due for review next year.
At the moment, there is no import duty on Chinese BEVs.
I am truly tempted to import one for personal use.
It will be good if we could get the Chinese to set up BEV production here.

Where are the Anti Dumping duties now? ;-)

 

[Woosh]

Where are the Anti Dumping duties now? ;-)

The EU put 17.5% to 35% on Chinese EVs depending on manufacturers. If BYD come here, they will have to bring their battery production line as well to satisfy rules of origin.

 

[portals]

Nothing to stop a manufacturer rating a 1,000kW motor as 250W in the current arrangements.

Which clearly they do selling same motors marked as 250W or 750W just contact them to 'discuss' your 'requirements' and 'branding'.

So essentially all you need to do to become 'legal' is have pedals, configure controller to 4mph max throttle assist, restrict top assistance speed to 15.5mph and have a hub that was 'rated' by the 'factory' stating it's 250W...?

Nuts..

 

[soundwave]

and lock the software but i have a dingle oh no 39.6mph on the flat at 120rpm 500w batt dead in 45 mins

 

[thelarkbox]

And as long as your 750w rated in a different zone motor rated 250w in the eu/uk is capped out at 15.5 mph thats cool, just as if an Aston Martin owner remains under the 70 mph speed limit on the motorway who cares his flash dick extension has the capacity for more speed...

Regardless of how much cash you throw at the machine as long as you remain within the regs re motor rating, speed limit, and pedal assistance, carry on..

The use of motor rating in the regs provides the latitude to ride machines capable of handling 99% of the terrain folk live in while with the speed cap and assistance requirement ensure that silly death cycles remain off the rd ( as long as regs are adhered to).

 

[portals]

I suppose we should be grateful of the 'latitude' given they surely knew a lot of 'manufacturers' would be marking their own homework...

My 'big' rear hub is on it's way out I believe, it's only done a few hundred miles in 3 yrs but clicking sounds are back, sounds like the bearings are shot again meaning maybe I got a dog in first place given bloke who replaced them 6 months ago was also bloke I bought it from originally... I don't really go more than 2miles from where I live so when it seizes or breaks or whatever it will do I will just get a black cab home and bin it. Maybe something just got loose. Again. We'll see.

I'm still suffering from pre christmas online shopping stress disorder and given the weather it can wait a few weeks before I look at getting a 'replacement' of some 'description'.

 

[portals]

Anyway Happy January, there could be a pet incoming...!

I'm going to email Panorama (again) and ask them to produce a 'show' (that's what it is these days right, a light entertainment 'show' not really factual or trusted by anyone like it was, shame the BBC has lost that?), so I really believe that this treatment could be gold for them:

'The Dangers of Keeping Your Cat in a PC'.

Probably they won't pick that story up but I wager that the worried BBC cntos 'involved' in this turd of a recent e-bike programme have upped the views of this forum significantly giving google has indexed it heavily...BBC prerogative is always gotta get the 'narrative' right then find a bus...

And the pretty much universal condemnation and breach of their own journalistic guidelines (well documented here) on what three counts and counting, I would be sweating too...

 

[thelarkbox]

I cant even get a 4 kilo kitty into a carry box for a vet visit (just booster shots).. had to cancel 2 x appts due to failure and cat hiding from me as a result. - current strategy is a bowl of food in the basket, got the weekend to acclimatise her..

 

[saneagle]

No, I'm not wanting to make rules, and as I said earlier my view, quite strongly influenced by the extensive discussion in this very thread, is that I am not really bothered about actual power output PROVIDED those EAPCs modified or built with peak output power capability way beyond 250W are strictly limited to 25km/h assisted speed.

We cannot expect to have both lax interpretation of what 250W is supposed to mean, and blithely exceed 25km/h without the sort of reactions that non-EAPC riders express.

My interest in the test, and it is a while since I read it in detail, is that it does not establish the maximum continuous power CAPABILITY of a motor, and the flexible approach to RATING any motor at all as 250W according to the test is another guaranteed friction area with anyone who is not the EAPC side of the fence.

Specifically, my logical mind has trouble with rating a motor that would pass the test if tested at say 350 or even 500W at 250W just because it hasn't been tested at higher powers.

That may not be clearly enough explained, but best I can manage after a long day on a roof!

The frequent discussion is because people have paradigms in their heads about how power regulations could be in an alternative world that prevent them from seeing reality.

All the regulations are extremely clear and well-written, and it's very easy to prove or disprove compliance.

They allow a wide range of motors that can suit everybody's needs. They've stood for 8 years or more, and I can't think of any problems as a result of them that need any solutions other than a few people, who didn't read them needing a bit of education, and some people, who lack basic comprehension skills spouting misinformation all over forums for whom there's no hope, though it's not their fault that they were born or became thick, so don't judge them too harshly.

 

[saneagle]

I cant even get a 4 kilo kitty into a carry box for a vet visit (just booster shots).. had to cancel 2 x appts due to failure and cat hiding from me as a result. - current strategy is a bowl of food in the basket, got the weekend to acclimatise her..

You get a cardboard box, punch a few holes in it for air, open the top and place it in the middle of the floor. Within seconds, pussy climbs in. Shut the lid and pussy is now ready for the vet.

A better way requires some forethought. From the beginning, you put a furry blanket in the cat carrier and leave it with the door open facing out the window or patio door. In the winter, one of those electric blankets for cats will help a lot. It will become pussy's favourite places to chill and sleep. Pussy will then not associate that device with going to the vet, so will be happy to enter at any time. At the moment, pussy knows that the only time it sees that device is when it's going to the vet, so it'll avoid it like the plague.

 

[saneagle]

Which clearly they do selling same motors marked as 250W or 750W just contact them to 'discuss' your 'requirements' and 'branding'.

So essentially all you need to do to become 'legal' is have pedals, configure controller to 4mph max throttle assist, restrict top assistance speed to 15.5mph and have a hub that was 'rated' by the 'factory' stating it's 250W...?

Nuts..

Correct. That's the law. It's actually very easy. You can do the throttle speeds with a KT controller. One other thing though, which they don't seem too bothered about. The bike or motor should have a label with the manufacturer's name, the power rating and max speed written on it.

 

[flecc]

They allow a wide range of motors that can suit everybody's needs. They've stood for 8 years or more

Actually 21 years, during which time almost all the EU and other countries with this law have expressed no problems. Its almost exclusively a British problem, due entirely to the mess the DfT made of introducing it contrary to the accompanying instructions.

The same is true for the throttle obsession.
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[thelarkbox]

You get a cardboard box, punch a few holes in it for air, open the top and place it in the middle of the floor. Within seconds, pussy climbs in. Shut the lid and pussy is now ready for the vet.

A better way requires some forethought. From the beginning, you put a furry blanket in the cat carrier and leave it with the door open facing out the window or patio door. In the winter, one of those electric blankets for cats will help a lot. It will become pussy's favourite places to chill and sleep. Pussy will then not associate that device with going to the vet, so will be happy to enter at any time. At the moment, pussy knows that the only time it sees that device is when it's going to the vet, so it'll avoid it like the plague.

sorry for the side-track, -Yeah the cat is Very timid (4yr old shelter rescue just over a year ago), does not react well to handling and prefers hiding under furniture and digging into clothing, than inside boxes, - not really a problem i leave her alone and she comes looking for a fuss when the whim takes her,, too often sometimes .. but as soon as i show any sign of picking her up the claws dig in deep if picked up i have about 3 seconds before she turns into a real life expression of a looney-tunes Tasmanian devil.

The plan is working however, yesterday she was balancing on the carrier edge (wicker carry box with hinged top lid)leaning in to feed from the food inside.. This evening she jumped in for the first time.. I think i shall spend some time this next year getting her comfy with being handled.. currently any attempt to move her further than a few feet in the few seconds before the claws start arcing gets dangerous..

Hopefully a withholding food on the day until its time to go for the next appt will prompt her to jump in and allow the lid to get closed when fed

 

[guerney]

Even more hazardous with a strong 13.5kg cat. I used to place the carrier close (front loading), then carry quickly to the box entrance, fold the front legs inwards, then insert as much as possible of the front portion of the cat's body into the box and let go of the front legs, then lift the rear portion over before the front legs engaged (there's not much traction, box contained a folded towel with his odours). He became quite settled in the large carrier after awhile. His lighter brother never did, yowled the entire time no matter what.

 

[thelarkbox]

I say 4 kg, she was 4kg last yr everyone tells me she is bigger but i dont see it?? dont think she will get to 13kg, thats HUGE!.
The rolling up in a towel is the next plan if coaxing with food fails, just dont want to let it get that far if it can be avoided.

 

[guerney]

I say 4 kg, she was 4kg last yr everyone tells me she is bigger but i dont see it?? dont think she will get to 13kg, thats HUGE!.

When a gas engineer saw my cats, he said "I didn't know it was legal to keep panthers". Had to reassure him they were just domestic cats. Half Siamese but for some reason jet black. I don't know what the other half was. I miss them a lot. I'd upload photos but I can't bear to look at them, even though they died a few years ago. I'd end up thinking about them again.

 

[soundwave]

i bet ur pussy is not this big


just think of mowing the carpet and driving over one of those turds

 

[guerney]

I know someone with a F1 Savannah. He can't allow it outside anymore because it kept killing dogs, and it hates being indoors. Nightmare cat. It's a full time job for him and his partner keeping it happy. Eats a lot.

 

[pedalfettal]

Cats like patterns...

Pick the the thing up, drop a treat for it, and then put it down. It'll then tolerate being picked up because it remembers the happy finish.
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Top-loading carriers are best - pick the thing up, drop a treat into the carrier then put the cat in it - it'll be fixated on the waiting treat and neglect to remember about the vet visit.