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[Ghost1951]

That's only true if Trump weren't the president. He's so obsessed with the US trade deficit that he has started the tariff war. In order for the Dollar to be used for trade, you have to encourage people to see the dollar is safe. That's not what Trump is doing. He has already upset the G7 countries, including the UK, Canada, Germany, France and the EU. Who is going to stand with the USD as long as Trump is at the WH?
The BRICS have already setup an alternative to the international settlement system with their own digital currency. I can easily ask for quotes and pay in RMB instead of USD.
Expect the BRICS and JAPAN to dump US Treasury bills at record levels.

Trump has threatened to slap tariffs on the EU but there the deficits are the other way around. The EU sells less to the USA than it exports to them.

He is an irrational clown.

Of course the really stupid part of his clowning is that now the dollar has strengthened making it much harder for the US to export its goods - threatening jobs for them and the rising cost of imports will in the end fall onto the people in the US who want to buy imported goods. He will kick up inflation.

 

[Woosh]

Trump has threatened to slap tariffs on the EU but there the deficits are the other way around. The EU sells less to the USA than it exports to them.

He is an irrational clown.

Of course the really stupid part of his clowning is that now the dollar has strengthened making it much harder for the US to export its goods - threatening jobs for them and the rising cost of imports will in the end fall onto the people in the US who want to buy imported goods. He will kick up inflation.

US EU trade deficit was $131bn in 2023. Trump wasn't precise but he got the gist of it right. Europeans don't want their inferior foods. Still, if tariff war starts, the damages can be several times the deficits that Trump wants to rectify.

 

[MikelBikel]

Mm, The EU has 468 coal plants, building 27 more for total of 495..
Turkey has 56, building 93 for total of 149..
South Africa 79, 24 more for 103
India 589, 446 more for 1036
Philippines 19, 60 more for 79
South Korea 58, 26 more for 54
Japan 90, 45 more for 135
And China has 2363, building 1171, for a total of 3534.
Doesn't sound like Real engineers, generating Real power don't believe in Not Really ReNuables..
Dig baby dig!

 

[MikelBikel]

 

[Woosh]

Mm, The EU has 468 coal plants, building 27 more for total of 495..
Turkey has 56, building 93 for total of 149..
South Africa 79, 24 more for 103
India 589, 446 more for 1036
Philippines 19, 60 more for 79
South Korea 58, 26 more for 54
Japan 90, 45 more for 135
And China has 2363, building 1171, for a total of 3534.
Doesn't sound like Real engineers, generating Real power don't believe in Not Really ReNuables..
Dig baby dig!

I bet you can't locate any in the uk, nor in sweden, portugal, belgium and austria. Ireland and Spain won't have any by the end of the year. The EU is also phasing out coal fired power stations. They will be all gone in 10 years.

 

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we can just import it all from the usa and the rest of the crap we buy is imported from china like my 43kg robot from china postage cost 7.50

 

[MikelBikel]

UK electricity prices are a scam ⚡️ #renewableenergy #uknature #sustainability #electricitybill

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Even if the wind & sun are free, we still have to pay whatever is the most expensive generator rate, gas. And then 25% subsidy On Top for the "Green" generators. And pay them Not to produce when overcapacity.. and.. and.. greed. :-/

 

[Ghost1951]

I bet you can't locate any in the uk, nor in sweden, portugal, belgium and austria. Ireland and Spain won't have any by the end of the year. The EU is also phasing out coal fired power stations. They will be all gone in 10 years.

Yes - but in China? The States? India?

A kilowatt hour of coal generated electricity emits over a kilogram of co2 {1.02)
The Uk grid last year on average emitted 125 grams per Kwhr - almost a tenth of the average coal fired station.

Some people are doing a lot of heavy lifting in carbon reduction and some people - some absolutely massive emitters like the US, India and especially China are going on their merry way with coal and building more and more and more coal plant that will be pouring out massive carbon for many decades into the future.

Our combined cycle gas turbines that the eco-loon Miliband wants switched off emit between a quarter and a fifth of the carbon of the average coal station of which China has about three thousand. Methane is already a low carbon fuel. It is mostly hydrogen - one carbon atom tied to four hydrogen ones.

The UK emits 1% of world co2. They are not following our example. This seems to be lost on eco-grannies and Just Stop Oil and all the other campaigners and extremists. WE are not the bad guys in this problem. We are not even there at all.

 

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and if you are disabled you are on a priority list ie they cant fit a pre pay meter and after 6 years the debt is statute barred.

mum never paid it for 7 years and wanted 15k when she died and never got a penny and still with edf .

i got a quote from them last year to fit a new non smart meter and was 350 quid worst case they come out and fit a edf meter ect 350 quid again and get them to pick there meter up

 

[Woosh]

Yes - but in China? The States? India?

A kilowatt hour of coal generated electricity emits over a kilogram of co2 {1.02)
The Uk grid last year on average emitted 125 grams per Kwhr - almost a tenth of the average coal fired station.

Some people are doing a lot of heavy lifting in carbon reduction and some people - some absolutely massive emitters like the US, India and especially China are going on their merry way with coal and building more and more and more coal plant that will be pouring out massive carbon for many decades into the future.

Our combined cycle gas turbines that the eco-loon Miliband wants switched off emit between a quarter and a fifth of the carbon of the average coal station of which China has about three thousand. Methane is already a low carbon fuel. It is mostly hydrogen - one carbon atom tied to four hydrogen ones.

The UK emits 1% of world co2. They are not following our example. This seems to be lost on eco-grannies and Just Stop Oil and all the other campaigners and extremists. WE are not the bad guys in this problem. We are not even there at all.

We are doing well in decarbonising our economy and should meet our target of net zero in 2050. The whole world is making the same efforts, some faster than others. China is the fastest, followed by the EU and USA.
There is good and neutral information here

How China Became the World’s Leader on Renewable Energy

China has achieved stunning growth in its installed renewable capacity over the last two decades, far outpacing the rest of the world. But to end its continued dependence on fossil fuels, it must now move ahead with planned reforms to its national electricity system.

e360.yale.edu

China should produce enough electricity by solar for its citizens, not industry though, by next year.

 

[Ghost1951]

We are doing well in decarbonising our economy and should meet our target of net zero in 2050. The whole world is making the same efforts, some faster than others. China is the fastest, followed by the EU and USA.
There is good and neutral information here

How China Became the World’s Leader on Renewable Energy

China has achieved stunning growth in its installed renewable capacity over the last two decades, far outpacing the rest of the world. But to end its continued dependence on fossil fuels, it must now move ahead with planned reforms to its national electricity system.

e360.yale.edu

China should produce enough electricity by solar for its citizens, not industry though, by next year.

"The whole world is making the same efforts, some faster than others. China is the fastest,"

You have an enormous capacity for self deception Tony.

If that was true, how come China has been building a significant number of new coal-fired power stations, with data showing that in 2023 alone, China permitted around 106 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power capacity and started construction on roughly 70 GW.

That equates to one per week.

China accounts for 95% of new coal fired power stations in the world.

Your rosy account of Chinese decarbonisation is complete bo llo ox mate.


China is burning 4.5 BILLION metric tonnes of coal each year which emits around 12.86 BILLION tonnes of co2. That of course takes no account of their oil and gas emissions.

They emit about 31 times as much as we do.

 

[Woosh]

"The whole world is making the same efforts, some faster than others. China is the fastest,"

You have an enormous capacity for self deception Tony.

If that was true, how come China has been building a significant number of new coal-fired power stations, with data showing that in 2023 alone, China permitted around 106 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power capacity and started construction on roughly 70 GW.

That equates to one per week.

China accounts for 95% of new coal fired power stations in the world.

Your rosy account of Chinese decarbonisation is complete bo llo ox mate.


China is burning 4.5 BILLION metric tonnes of coal each year which emits around 12.86 BILLION tonnes of co2. That of course takes no account of their oil and gas emissions.

They emit about 31 times as much as we do.

We should keep in mind that most of the electricity is used to produce goods for the rest of the worls.
Compare that 70GW with 1.4TW plus of current installed capacity in renewables.
China is doubling renewables every 1-2 years.

 

[Ghost1951]

We should keep in mind that most of the electricity is used to produce goods for the rest of the worls.
Compare that 70GW with 1.4TW plus of current installed capacity in renewables.
China is doubling renewables every 1-2 years.

It doesn't matter how many windmills China makes if it continues burning coal. Here is a graph of their coal consumption over time.



They are buring more now than they were 8 years ago and the trend is upward. They have an insatiable energy appetite and the new coal power build shows they intend to keep using it, however much they have invested in solar and wind.

You keep on deluding yourself by cherry picking data. The issue is NOT how many renewables they have made, but whether they are continuing with coal and they certainly are.

You don't build 70 gigawatts of new coal fired power last year if you intend to stop using it.

Those Chinese e-bike frames and parts you import have a huge carbon footprint before you ever get them. So does my cheapo Argos folder which was made in India.

 

[Woosh]

It doesn't matter how many windmills China makes if it continues burning coal. Here is a graph of their coal consumption over time.

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They are buring more now than they were 8 years ago and the trend is upward. They have an insatiable energy appetite and the new coal power build shows they intend to keep using it, however much they have invested in solar and wind.

You keep on deluding yourself by cherry picking data. The issue is NOT how many renewables they have made, but whether they are continuing with coal and they certainly are.

You don't build 70 gigawatts of new coal fired power last year if you intend to stop using it.

Those Chinese e-bike frames and parts you import have a huge carbon footprint before you ever get them. So does my cheapo Argos folder which was made in India.

you can see on your graph that the trend has changed in the past.
Price of solar panels have come down because of technological improvement, especially in reducing the cost of monocrystalin silicon. Perovskites will now take up from there. At CES 2025, a few companies have added perovskites to roof tiles. I am looking into replacing my wooden fence with solar panels because the cost of bifacial panels have come down a lot.
The global decarbonisation effort will increase.
I reckon that since the 2000s, oil and gas companies have used PR to replace coal with gas. They are now the biggest investors in renewables. Look at solar projects in Saudi Arabia, UAE etc. In a generation, that PR machine is going to push solar and wind to replace oil and gas instead.