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flecc

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Oh dear, the outlook is not favourable then, as another acre of rainforest is removed for mining, lumber or farming.
No it isn't favourable, as the many COP talks demonstrate, plenty of hot air and promises but little action.

We'll probably do what we usually do with every problem, leave it until the last minute when it's too late and then make increasingly desperate efforts to compensate for the terrible mess we've made.
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Oh dear, the outlook is not favourable then, as another acre of rainforest is removed for mining, lumber or farming.
Brazil could run a rainforest protection racket. Where can I buy shares in Brazil?
 

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Brazil could run a rainforest protection racket
They kind of already do in carbon offsetting & carbon credits, I don't fully grasp it but there is information that states some protected forests and wetlands are being sold a few times over as carbon offsets to heavy polluters. I think it was climate town on YT he's funny as well.
 

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They kind of already do in carbon offsetting & carbon credits, I don't fully grasp it but there is information that states some protected forests and wetlands are being sold a few times over as carbon offsets to heavy polluters. I think it was climate town on YT he's funny as well.
carbon offset is easy as we dont make bugger all we get most of the stuff we buy from china to off set the co2 if it was made here so would make carbon zero impossible so we import everything to off set it same as usa ect so it is just a scam for the green agenda.

same as recycling we just ship it off to other country's to get processed or just store it in warehouses as now no one wants our crap anymore.

so we built one of these down the road to burn it all :D
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The Gloucestershire Energy from Waste Facility uses state of the art technology to safely and efficiently combust up to 190,000 tonnes per year of residual waste - that is the waste left over after recycling and composting.

 

PC2017

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just store it in warehouses
Or local beach, river, village, town or the classic out of sight out of mind ~ocean. Green washing 101.
 
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guerney

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They kind of already do in carbon offsetting & carbon credits, I don't fully grasp it but there is information that states some protected forests and wetlands are being sold a few times over as carbon offsets to heavy polluters. I think it was climate town on YT he's funny as well.
Maybe oxygen credits should be worldwide fiat currency? There's a dwindling supply, which cancer cells are gleeful about.

Scientists Predict Earth's Oxygen Will Decrease, Suffocating Most Living Organisms


GET HOFING! :D


 

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Well I've nailed the frequent cold exposure trying to save a few quid on my Gas bill :rolleyes:
You could add a tiny bit to your electric bill but reduce your gass bill, by putting an electric underblanket and yourself into a sleeping bag? I confess to not having done so lately, due to laziness... plus it dried my feet to an uncomfortable and unacceptable extent lol. o_O The next version may need a space blanket liner, to keep in moisture for a more succulent and delicious slow cook. At 60+ degrees we could cook and eat the homeless...just put one human body into a pre-heated sleeping bag for 24 hours etc.

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Not really anything to do with the cost of energy. (They don't use any). :D

But when my late wife and myself used to go on late season camps we always had a pair of these.

I still use mine today and although passion killers you will be hot in other ways. :cool:

https://amzn.to/3uxGjEp


I would think combined with electric under blanket and sleeping bag you would be more than toastie.

TTFN
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I don't understand why we don't invest in wave power more. We have inaccessible coastlines that are constantly battered by waves and also small islands that nobody lives on.
Surround these coastlines with wave power generators, put a power station in the land and feed the cables along the ocean floor / coastline. That will also protect the coastline from erosion,
We should burning our rubbish instead of dumping it in land and sea, all power solutions have positives and negatives
 

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I think tidal is easier to exploit than wave. One problem with tidal is that it often needs a narrow channel to 'concentrate' the tide, and that often means significant importance to wildlife, and difficulties with shipping as well. Also very considerable light pollution in what are often protected dark sky areas (applies to wave and tidal)

(eg as at Key Rhea: https://tethys.pnnl.gov/project-sites/kyle-rhea-tidal-stream-array-project)
 

PC2017

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why we don't invest in wave power more
That is the inherent issue, investment; years and years of profits are funnelled out to share holders and not reinvested in infrastructure and research. Look at Texas in recent years. The premise was to keep adding increments to our bills to fund massive projects then take this money and pay obscene salaries to upper management then go cap in hand to the tax payer to pay for the additional costs & successive governments had just enabled this practise under the guise of increasing jobs.
 

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I don't understand why we don't invest in wave power more. We have inaccessible coastlines that are constantly battered by waves and also small islands that nobody lives on.
Surround these coastlines with wave power generators, put a power station in the land and feed the cables along the ocean floor / coastline. That will also protect the coastline from erosion,
We should burning our rubbish instead of dumping it in land and sea, all power solutions have positives and negatives
Wave power has proved extremely tricky to commercialise, despite the enormous amount of energy sitting there apparently for the taking. Mainly because the sea is unforgiving, and 1200 times as dense as air, so can generate forces in bad weather that cannot be survived.

Wind power on the other hand can shut itself down, and turn the turbines out of the wind for survival purposes.

Tidal stream is still seeing some activity. EMEC in Orkney and Wavehub in Cornwall used to be the go to places to see what's going on, but that is memories from a previous career segment.

Offshore wind is doing well, and floating offshore wind now also coming along, and the resource in UK waters is colossal. Many times our need, although with some 'not all the time' types of challenges.
 

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We need non for profit infrastructure for all man kind when it come to essentials like power & water , problem is it goes against the greed and avarice of directors and those in goverment all who are all leeches bleeding as much money they can from the general public for their meaningless personnel wealth and existance.
 
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flecc

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I don't understand why we don't invest in wave power more.
The efficiency is very low, meaning a very poor return. Ultimately it makes no sense anyway, since wave power is only wind power with much of it's energy removed and in a more inconvenient form.

So we do the sensible thing and concentrate on wind power at present.

Obviously the most powerful source of green energy is gravity, the tidal rise and fall of the world's oceans powered by the moon and sun's gravitational attraction, but once again very difficult to harness despite its abundant power and future permanence.
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As I cycle around my adopted country I see lots of evidence of water powered mills, very few still in use. One local town even still has a building (now used as a kind of community centre) called the Power House, which originally generated power for the town.

These sites could all be revamped and turbines installed, well within modern engineering capability. Of course the amount of energy produced would be small compared to large industrial generators. But it could be used for local, short distance supply.
Our model of central generation and distribution does not allow for this thinking and so all this flowing power potential goes to waste. We would rather generate centrally at huge scale then suffer massive transmission losses (resitance, induction, capacitive) on long distance lines.
Whilst they are essential base line capacity, nobody wants a Hinckley or Sizewell on their skyline. Micro generation coupled with battery / hydrogen storage would seem to help. But of course this will not be accepted by the share holding, obscene director salaried monopolies - it's simply not in their interest.
Maybe they could be not for profit operations? Course the bureaucracy thrown up by the giants lobbying the government on 'safety and operational grounds' would make sure it would be still born.
Meanwhile, Wales( and probably Scotland) throws away a huge amount of potential power every day.
 
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flecc

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As I cycle around my adopted country I see lots of evidence of water powered mills, very few still in use. One local town even still has a building (now used as a kind of community centre) called the Power House, which originally generated power for the town.
Meanwhile, Wales( and probably Scotland) throws away a huge amount of potential power every day.
Even England too. I remember one very large printing and publishing company who historically had their works entirely powered by hydro power from the River Wey. They even still employed the engineer who maintained the installation.

When I asked why they weren't still doing it despite the installation still in place, the answer was the sheer convenience of plentiful low cost grid energy at that time.

Of course that wouldn't work now in the south with climate and population change, since our rivers now run very low in summers, or even dry during droughts.
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water powered mills
Some in the Isle Of Man, I think some are still operational, but I assume as tourist attractions not for power, how we yearn for simpler times, although yearn with caution as these simpler times maybe forced upon us. The local constabulary checking our carrot peelings making sure we haven't wasted any...
 
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Even England too. I remember one very large printing and publishing company who historically had their works entirely powered by hydro power from the River Wey.
Was that hydro-electric, or did they use the mechanical power directly which seems to make more sense?

Some in the Isle Of Man, I think some are still operational, but I assume as tourist attractions not for power,
We've still got a working water mill in Winchester. I don't think they are that uncommon still. Definitely primarily as a tourist attraction. I visit in summer sometimes just because it keeps really cool by the race. They do mill flour regularly and it's available for sale. They did extra when supermarket flour was almost unavailable during some of the pandemic.
 
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