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flecc

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3 years of war and Russian army occupies less than 20% of Ukraine. The early opportunity to take large swathe of land is gone. 50km2 sound impressive but Ukraine still has 500-600,000km2, that's more than 10,000 times. Anyway, the front lines move back and forth atm. As time passes, Ukraine has developed her own arm making capacity. Most of the fighting now uses locally produced drones, shells and rockets.
If you look at the economy, inflation in Ukraine is half of Russia's. As for income, Russia rakes in a lot less from oil and gas. I reckon nato can continue to support Ukraine for as long as it takes.
You are just trying to reassure yourself, only yesterday you were speaking of a buffer zone.

Russia won this war nearly two years ago when it took all the Azov and Black Sea coastlines as far as the Dnipr river and Kherson oblast, achieving nearly all of its real objective. Since then it has only been about Russia dealing out punishment and Ukrainian retaliation and revenge attacks. Only yesterday Ukraine admitted it had lost 40% of their Kursk incursion as Russian troops assaulted so they'll be out of there shortly.

Zelensky says he is confident of stopping the war in 2025 and Putin wants it over too so there is no question of Russia carrying on across all of Ukraine or NATO fighting to the end for Ukraine to recover all the lost territory.

This is yet another phoney war in which either side easily has the capability to achieve what it says it wants, but neither will try to and suffer the bloody consequences. If only for humanity reasons alone, they will call a halt before the end of next year, probably much sooner.
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You are just trying to reassure yourself, only yesterday you were speaking of a buffer zone.

Russia won this war nearly two years ago when it took all the Azov and Black Sea coastlines as far as the Dnipr river and Kherson oblast, achieving nearly all of its real objective. Since then it has only been about Russia dealing out punishment and Ukrainian retaliation and revenge attacks. Only yesterday Ukraine admitted it had lost 40% of their Kursk incursion as Russian troops assaulted so they'll be out of there shortly.

Zelensky says he is confident of stopping the war in 2025 and Putin wants it over too so there is no question of Russia carrying on across all of Ukraine or NATO fighting to the end for Ukraine to recover all the lost territory.

This is yet another phoney war in which either side easily has the capability to achieve what it says it wants, but neither will try to and suffer the bloody consequences. If only for humanity reasons alone, they will call a halt before the end of next year, probably much sooner.
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There buffer zone is usually an accepted part of a settlement, why do you think I try to reassure myself? I am pretty convinced that our mod assessment that Russia lost more soldiers than Ukraine is more probable than the other way round. What if Ukraine decides to continue fighting without further US military supply under trump? It can drag on for a long time. Also, trump may decide that he wants Ukraine to win.
 

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There buffer zone is usually an accepted part of a settlement, why do you think I try to reassure myself?
Your unrealistic optimism.

I am pretty convinced that our mod assessment that Russia lost more soldiers than Ukraine is more probable than the other way round.
Agreed.

What if Ukraine decides to continue fighting without further US military supply under trump? It can drag on for a long time.
They won't. Zelensky wants it to end very soon and the Ukranian public are at the end of their tether. They won't stand for prolongation and many don't care how it ends now. They just want it to end.

Also, trump may decide that he wants Ukraine to win.
Trump is only interested in showing quick results, certainly not prolongation and imperceptible results, and the US public won't tolerate paying for yet another endless war. Hence giving back Afghanistan to the Taliban.
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Crossed over *both* cables at *same* time they were cut. (But crossed over other cables/pipelines that weren't!) Was it shadowed by a Ukrandinavian sabotage sub so Yi Peng 3 could be unjustly blamed? Or was it the Merfolk?:cool:
 

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Trump is only interested in showing quick results, certainly not prolongation and imperceptible results, and the US public won't tolerate paying for yet another endless war. Hence giving back Afghanistan to the Taliban.
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He dropped Afghanistan in his last year. Putin may not last more than 2 years. How many ruling parties have lost elections because of high inflation? Why should Russia be any different?
 

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woooo :p i bet he made a good p;)ie
 

flecc

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Putin may not last more than 2 years.
Wishful thinking and undue optimism again. He could outlive us.

How many ruling parties have lost elections because of high inflation? Why should Russia be any different?
If the war stops next year the inflation won't have made a difference. And in Russia's world, ruling parties never lose elections. At least 70% is the usual minimum winning figure.
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