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[jamesporritt]

Prime Minister Andrew Lansley.

 

[flecc]

3 years of war and Russian army occupies less than 20% of Ukraine. The early opportunity to take large swathe of land is gone. 50km2 sound impressive but Ukraine still has 500-600,000km2, that's more than 10,000 times. Anyway, the front lines move back and forth atm. As time passes, Ukraine has developed her own arm making capacity. Most of the fighting now uses locally produced drones, shells and rockets.
If you look at the economy, inflation in Ukraine is half of Russia's. As for income, Russia rakes in a lot less from oil and gas. I reckon nato can continue to support Ukraine for as long as it takes.

You are just trying to reassure yourself, only yesterday you were speaking of a buffer zone.

Russia won this war nearly two years ago when it took all the Azov and Black Sea coastlines as far as the Dnipr river and Kherson oblast, achieving nearly all of its real objective. Since then it has only been about Russia dealing out punishment and Ukrainian retaliation and revenge attacks. Only yesterday Ukraine admitted it had lost 40% of their Kursk incursion as Russian troops assaulted so they'll be out of there shortly.

Zelensky says he is confident of stopping the war in 2025 and Putin wants it over too so there is no question of Russia carrying on across all of Ukraine or NATO fighting to the end for Ukraine to recover all the lost territory.

This is yet another phoney war in which either side easily has the capability to achieve what it says it wants, but neither will try to and suffer the bloody consequences. If only for humanity reasons alone, they will call a halt before the end of next year, probably much sooner.
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[Woosh]

You are just trying to reassure yourself, only yesterday you were speaking of a buffer zone.

Russia won this war nearly two years ago when it took all the Azov and Black Sea coastlines as far as the Dnipr river and Kherson oblast, achieving nearly all of its real objective. Since then it has only been about Russia dealing out punishment and Ukrainian retaliation and revenge attacks. Only yesterday Ukraine admitted it had lost 40% of their Kursk incursion as Russian troops assaulted so they'll be out of there shortly.

Zelensky says he is confident of stopping the war in 2025 and Putin wants it over too so there is no question of Russia carrying on across all of Ukraine or NATO fighting to the end for Ukraine to recover all the lost territory.

This is yet another phoney war in which either side easily has the capability to achieve what it says it wants, but neither will try to and suffer the bloody consequences. If only for humanity reasons alone, they will call a halt before the end of next year, probably much sooner.
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There buffer zone is usually an accepted part of a settlement, why do you think I try to reassure myself? I am pretty convinced that our mod assessment that Russia lost more soldiers than Ukraine is more probable than the other way round. What if Ukraine decides to continue fighting without further US military supply under trump? It can drag on for a long time. Also, trump may decide that he wants Ukraine to win.

 

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long time with no nukes vs nukes how long do you think it takes ?

its like using ap as bridges when one circle ends you deploy another but all at the same time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_independently_targetable_reentry_vehicle

that's what you seen hit the ground in the vid its like a hydrogen powerd cluster bomb that hits going 20.000mph just with no bang on the end.

 

[flecc]

There buffer zone is usually an accepted part of a settlement, why do you think I try to reassure myself?

Your unrealistic optimism.

I am pretty convinced that our mod assessment that Russia lost more soldiers than Ukraine is more probable than the other way round.

Agreed.

What if Ukraine decides to continue fighting without further US military supply under trump? It can drag on for a long time.

They won't. Zelensky wants it to end very soon and the Ukranian public are at the end of their tether. They won't stand for prolongation and many don't care how it ends now. They just want it to end.

Also, trump may decide that he wants Ukraine to win.

Trump is only interested in showing quick results, certainly not prolongation and imperceptible results, and the US public won't tolerate paying for yet another endless war. Hence giving back Afghanistan to the Taliban.
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[MikelBikel]

Crossed over *both* cables at *same* time they were cut. (But crossed over other cables/pipelines that weren't!) Was it shadowed by a Ukrandinavian sabotage sub so Yi Peng 3 could be unjustly blamed? Or was it the Merfolk?

 

[Woosh]

Trump is only interested in showing quick results, certainly not prolongation and imperceptible results, and the US public won't tolerate paying for yet another endless war. Hence giving back Afghanistan to the Taliban.
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He dropped Afghanistan in his last year. Putin may not last more than 2 years. How many ruling parties have lost elections because of high inflation? Why should Russia be any different?

 

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woooo i bet he made a good pie

 

[flecc]

Putin may not last more than 2 years.

Wishful thinking and undue optimism again. He could outlive us.

How many ruling parties have lost elections because of high inflation? Why should Russia be any different?

If the war stops next year the inflation won't have made a difference. And in Russia's world, ruling parties never lose elections. At least 70% is the usual minimum winning figure.
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[Woosh]

Wishful thinking and undue optimism again. He could outlive us.

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If the war stops next year the inflation won't have made a difference. And in Russia's world, ruling parties never lose elections. At least 70% is the usual minimum winning figure.
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Just like brexiters could ask themselves what if the UK had accepted the EU's concessions to Cameron. If Russians asked themselves what if Putin had accepted Zelensky's promise just before the war started that they had given in to Russia's demand about NATO and implement the agreement in 2014 in full? The world would have been in a better place.
I think Putin wanted to annex Ukraine after he won back Crimea and turned Eastern Ukraine into a separatist region. He thought he could do the same with Eastern Ukraine like he did with Crimea. Had he been able to occupy Kiev and kill Zelensky, he would have succeeded.

 

[flecc]

Just like brexiters could ask themselves what if the UK had accepted the EU's concessions to Cameron. If Russians asked themselves what if Putin had accepted Zelensky's promise just before the war started that they had given in to Russia's demand about NATO and implement the agreement in 2014 in full? The world would have been in a better place.
I think Putin wanted to annex Ukraine after he won back Crimea and turned Eastern Ukraine into a separatist region. He thought he could do the same with Eastern Ukraine like he did with Crimea. Had he been able to occupy Kiev and kill Zelensky, he would have succeeded.

All "What if", supposition with no evidence,

There is evidence that land annexation isn't what Putin wants. I've informed you of it many times but you stubbornly ignore it.

That evidence is the way, having beaten Georgia in 2008, he completely withdrew once they agreed they would not join NATO. If Putin wanted to annex key strategic land like Georgia which leads to the Middle East and Africa, he'd have kept it, but he didn't since he's always made it clear that he only wants non NATO buffer countries. This applies even more to western Ukraine which, only leading to the EU and an old enemy Poland, is not the key strategic land for Russia that it was in USSR days.

That's the last time I spell this out since the war will end next year, proving I and this evidence are correct.
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[MikelBikel]

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Is it the globalists plan that the only meat available is hormone beef and chlorinated chicken from s.america, ja?

 

[MikelBikel]

Expelled the same day: Ireland hardens illegal immigration response

Ireland is clamping down on migrants crossing the border from the UK - the BBC sees the policy in action.

www.bbc.com

Election time stunts for d optics. Meanwhile a 1000 illegals tent barracks being put nr Athlone, next to schools, by ministerial decree, against planning rules!

 

[flecc]

Expelled the same day: Ireland hardens illegal immigration response

Ireland is clamping down on migrants crossing the border from the UK - the BBC sees the policy in action.

www.bbc.com

Election time stunts for d optics. Meanwhile a 1000 illegals tent barracks being put nr Athlone, next to schools, by ministerial decree, against planning rules!

Fair's fair, if Ireland is deporting EU illegals to the UK, we should start deporting our boat arrivals of EU illegals to Ireland in the EU?
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[Woosh]

Is it the globalists plan that the only meat available is hormone beef and chlorinated chicken from s.america, ja?

You can buy Brazillian and Argentinian beef already in the EU and their cows are not fed on hormone or their chickens washed with chlorine. The quantities are at the moment rather small (8000t of Argentinian beef per annum for example).
EU laws will stop some substandard food products through health and safety standards but in essence, if it wants to sell cars to mercosur (essentially Brazil and Argentina), it has to accept fair competition and let in a lot more beef and chickens. The issue is the deal will wipe out a large number of smaller producers because of much lower production cost in mercosur countries.

 

[saneagle]

I think Putin wanted to annex Ukraine after he won back Crimea and turned Eastern Ukraine into a separatist region. He thought he could do the same with Eastern Ukraine like he did with Crimea. Had he been able to occupy Kiev and kill Zelensky, he would have succeeded.

That's the sort of thinking that caused the war.

 

[Woosh]

That's the sort of thinking that caused the war.

why? Anyone could say one of my neighbours is a threat or behaves unreasonably. As soon as Russians troops are gatheredm in large numbers, Zelensky desperately tried to offer concessions such as never join NATO, leave Crimea alone and implement 2014 agreements in full.
Putin could have walked away with what he asked for, but he chose not to. His pretext was then to protect Russian speaking Ukrainians.
Clearly, he did not foresee how expensive the war was going to be.

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Even now, Russia's leader describes the biggest European invasion since the end of World War Two as a "special military operation". Not the full-scale war that has bombed civilians across Ukraine and left more than 13 million either as refugees abroad or displaced inside their own country.

His declared goal on 24 February 2022 was to "demilitarise and denazify", external Ukraine and not occupy it by force, days after backing independence for eastern Ukrainian territories occupied by Russian proxy forces since 2014.

He vowed to protect people from eight years of Ukrainian bullying and genocide - a Russian propaganda claim with no foundation in reality. He spoke of preventing Nato from gaining a foothold in Ukraine, then added another objective of ensuring Ukraine's neutral status, external.

President Putin never said it out loud, but high on the agenda was toppling the government of Ukraine's elected president. "The enemy has designated me as target number one; my family is target number two," said Volodymyr Zelensky. Russian troops made two attempts to storm the presidential compound, according to his adviser.

Russian claims of Ukrainian Nazis committing genocide never added up, but Russian state-run news agency Ria Novosti explained that "denazification is inevitably also de-Ukrainisation" - in effect, erasing the modern state of Ukraine.

For years, the Russian president has denied Ukraine its own statehood, writing in a lengthy 2021 essay that "Russians and Ukrainians were one people", external dating back to the late 9th Century.

 

[saneagle]

why? Anyone could say one of my neighbours is a threat or behaves unreasonably. As soon as Russians troops are gatheredm in large numbers, Zelensky desperately tried to offer concessions such as never join NATO, leave Crimea alone and implement 2014 agreements in full.
Putin could have walked away with what he asked for, but he chose not to. His pretext was then to protect Russian speaking Ukrainians.
Clearly, he did not foresee how expensive the war was going to be.

That's complete rubbish. Where did you get that from? BTW, the Russians advanced another 75 sq km yesterday. That makes 225 sq km in the last 3 days or an average of 75 sq km per day, which has been sustained for the last 7 days. That's approximately two Southends every day.