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Ed Miliband will be a liability as energy secretary

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that is usually seen in conservative administrations.


there are numerous studies as to why we are stuck in a hole since the sub prime mortage crisis in 2008. Low productivity leads to lower growth compared to the US, the EU, Australia, the BRICS etc. We used to enjoy better living standard than the Americans. Not now. We are about 40% behind the average American.
Of the £3 trillions worth of assets that the LSE manages, little is invested outside London.
Most of our savings go into stoking up house price instead of investing in productive industries. It's the legacy of MT.
Not sure what to say about such wrong headed thinking, but I'll give it a try.

1. If you think incompetent minsters are only a feature of Conservative administrations you have a very short memory. Just look at the shambles that is Wales, where on just about every metric the country is doing far worse than England. Look north of the border to see the same. Remember the shambles left by Blunket, by Prestcott. Remember the Casinos policy and the deregulation of gambling and gambling advertising. Remember how Prestcott set about demolishing old houses supposedly to rejuvenate areas only to replace them with far far fewer than were taken down and those that were build were too expensive for the people displaced to buy or rent. I could go on.

You have seen me say that the last government was incompetent, so I am not making party political games here - but you ARE.

As for living standards here:

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Living standards have been absolutely hammered by Covid, and covid necessary spending, and by the disastrous hike in the cost of fuel and heating world wide due to the fact that the world's second largest hydrocarbon supplier invaded Ukraine and caused a massive shortage of gas and oil by being sanctioned. This is a world wide phenomenon and not the result of our government's policy.

The conservatives deserved to lose but not because covid ruined us and not because of the results of the Ukraine war on our cost of living.
 
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"Electricity Prices in France Just Turned Negative Because of Renewables"

The EXACT same thing happens here - regularly.

If you monitor the website https://grid.iamkate.com/ you can see it happen live. The price per kilowatt hour paid to the generators here right now is 6.7 pence. I check out that site frequently and I have seen the generators getting nothing and even having to pay to dump power into the grid. It is a feature of the intermittency of wind and solar. At times there is far too much and at others far too little.
 

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Ed Miliband will be a liability as energy secretary

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Maybe the people who down voted the article would be better to use their brains and argue against the points they dispute..... I have always despised the idea that you put a red cross against something you disagree with rather than explaining what it is that you think is wrong. It smacks of brainless incoherence to me or a toddler having a tantrum.
 
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The EXACT same thing happens here - regularly.

If you monitor the website https://grid.iamkate.com/ you can see it happen live. The price per kilowatt hour paid to the generators here right now is 6.7 pence. I check out that site frequently and I have seen the generators getting nothing and even having to pay to dump power into the grid. It is a feature of the intermittency of wind and solar. At times there is far too much and at others far too little.
It'll be a different story in December and January when solar drops to 1/10 of what it is now. The price of electricity then goes up to sometimes over £1 per unit between 17:00 and 18:00. It's great if you have a battery system because you can sell it at that price at that time and buy it at 04:00 to charge your batteries at a cost of about £0.10 a unit, so £0.90 profit per unit without generating anything.
 
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As for living standards here:
You should check out the following datatable by worldometer: GDP per capita.
If anyone thinks we are one of the richest country on earth, think again. Soon, Italians, Czechs, Slovenians will overtake us on income.


#CountryGDP (PPP)
per capita
(2022)
GDP (nominal)
per capita
(2022)
vs. World PPP
GDP per capita
($20,645)
1Luxembourg$142,214$127,046689%
2Singapore$127,565$78,115618%
3Ireland$126,905$105,362615%
4Norway$114,899$106,594557%
5Qatar$114,648$88,046555%
6United Arab Emirates$87,729$53,758425%
7Switzerland$83,598$92,410405%
8United States$76,399$75,269370%
9Denmark$74,005$67,220358%
10Netherlands$69,577$56,429337%
11Brunei$69,275$37,152336%
12Iceland$69,081$74,663335%
13Hong Kong$69,049$48,050334%
14Austria$67,936$52,732329%
15Belgium$65,027$49,640315%
16Sweden$64,578$55,543313%
17Germany$63,150$48,845306%
18Australia$62,625$64,003303%
19Bahrain$61,228$30,152297%
20Saudi Arabia$59,065$30,436286%
21Finland$59,027$50,684286%
22Canada$58,400$55,646283%
23Kuwait$58,056$43,233281%
24Malta$55,928$33,313271%
25France$55,493$43,061269%
26Macao$55,344$31,618268%
27United Kingdom$54,603$45,485264%
28New Zealand$51,967$47,680252%
29Italy$51,865$34,053251%
30South Korea$50,070$32,138243%
31Slovenia$50,032$29,303242%
32Czech Republic (Czechia)$49,946$27,723242%
33Cyprus$49,931$22,724242%
34Israel$49,509$57,758240%
 
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You should check out the following datatable by worldometer: GDP per capita.
If anyone thinks we are one of the richest country on earth, think again. Soon, Italians, Czechs, Slovenians will overtake us on income.


#CountryGDP (PPP)
per capita
(2022)
GDP (nominal)
per capita
(2022)
vs. World PPP
GDP per capita
($20,645)
1Luxembourg$142,214$127,046689%
2Singapore$127,565$78,115618%
3Ireland$126,905$105,362615%
4Norway$114,899$106,594557%
5Qatar$114,648$88,046555%
6United Arab Emirates$87,729$53,758425%
7Switzerland$83,598$92,410405%
8United States$76,399$75,269370%
9Denmark$74,005$67,220358%
10Netherlands$69,577$56,429337%
11Brunei$69,275$37,152336%
12Iceland$69,081$74,663335%
13Hong Kong$69,049$48,050334%
14Austria$67,936$52,732329%
15Belgium$65,027$49,640315%
16Sweden$64,578$55,543313%
17Germany$63,150$48,845306%
18Australia$62,625$64,003303%
19Bahrain$61,228$30,152297%
20Saudi Arabia$59,065$30,436286%
21Finland$59,027$50,684286%
22Canada$58,400$55,646283%
23Kuwait$58,056$43,233281%
24Malta$55,928$33,313271%
25France$55,493$43,061269%
26Macao$55,344$31,618268%
27United Kingdom$54,603$45,485264%
28New Zealand$51,967$47,680252%
29Italy$51,865$34,053251%
30South Korea$50,070$32,138243%
31Slovenia$50,032$29,303242%
32Czech Republic (Czechia)$49,946$27,723242%
33Cyprus$49,931$22,724242%
34Israel$49,509$57,758240%
GDP is a meaningless measurable. It only shows how much money is moving around within a country. What's really important is the difference between what comes in and what goes out.
 

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Maybe the people who down voted the article would be better to use their brains and argue against the points they dispute..... I have always despised the idea that you put a red cross against something you disagree with rather than explaining what it is that you think is wrong. It smacks of brainless incoherence to me or a toddler having a tantrum.
I would rather reply to your specific points than to a complete article that you repost. Saneagle is pretty middle of the road on energy. He has already made the point on variability of electricity price.
Nevertheless, Labour remains committed to its 2030 decarbonisation target for electricity – and it is going to be a huge millstone around its neck. Gary Smith of the GMB union has told it so, as has Jim Ratcliffe, owner of Ineos and one of Labour’s new supporters
Ineos has a huge interest in oil and gas, he doesn't want to see the role of gas to be phased out that quickly.
To give an idea of the cost of that, the US government’s Pacific National Laboratories estimates the lifetime cost of lithium batteries at around £240 per Megawatt-hour, six times as much as it costs to generate the energy from wind in the first place.
that's just silly. Lithium batteries in EVs costs about $50k-$80k per MWH depending on how big you buy, and cheaper in coming years. The warranty on capacity is 25 years, so the base cost of storage is $80k/219,000 hours, very little.
Neither can Miliband explain how his target will save consumers money when his Treasury colleague Darren Jones admits that it will cost ‘hundreds of billions’ of investment in wind farms, new cables and everything else. Maybe Miliband thinks investment costs don’t matter because they will generate all these ‘well-paid green jobs’ and are therefore a social good.
The point of public investment is to generate good jobs which in turn increases the tax take. If Milliband spends £100k to create one good job that pays £50k a year, the tax take around this job is roughly £25k. It won't be long before the government can recoup its investment, It should learn lessons from the Norway's Sovereign Fund.
 
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GDP is a meaningless measurable. It only shows how much money is moving around within a country. What's really important is the difference between what comes in and what goes out.
You can use average salary if you like.
Our living standard is left frozen in time since the 2008 crisis and Cameron becoming PM.
Ask Soundwave how he feels.
 

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Is Lenny likening Farage to Hitler? I hope not.

One fascinating thing about this election is the way that votes won overall bear no relation to seats and power to make change.

Sin Fein 210 thousand votes 7 seats
SNP 708 thousand votes 9 seats
Lib Dems 3 million votes 71 seats.
Reform 4.1 million votes. 5 seats.
Conservatives 6.8 million votes 121 seats
Labour 9.6 million votes 412 seats

Labour with only a bit more than twice the votes Reform got, have nearly ten times as many seats.

 

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"Figures close to Sunak, however, remain adamant that they had little choice but to call the early poll, because of the high numbers of households that were having to remortgage each month. They said former prime minister Liz Truss was blamed “pretty much without exception” by householders for their higher costs. "



"‘She wasn’t sure how to get off the stage’: Liz Truss’s ungracious count retreat caps political humiliation"

 

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Median Salary is a better measure for the reasons laid out in this article


Notice how well the Nordic countries do with very good public services (and policies to the left of the Corbyn's 2019 manifesto.) We do very poorly, (although the rich do quite well) We seem to manage to combine being a really very unequal society with a relatively poor country (by European standards), which is quite some trick.
 
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