Leaving the EU
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I don't think the Euro can influence the debate either way.
The Euro was created in 2001, by then, we have already exited the ERM (1992). The Euro is far from being as bad as the Brexiters make it out to be and our goverment would never want to join because it could not borrow as much as it did and still does anyway. The economic argument is about future growth and opportunities. If Brexit happens, trade won't stop but the short term outlook is bad because of uncertainty. Banks and house builders will be worst hit. You can already see their stock falling ever since the announcement of referendum date back in February. People who work for European companies may also get hit.
The Euro was created in 2001, by then, we have already exited the ERM (1992). The Euro is far from being as bad as the Brexiters make it out to be and our goverment would never want to join because it could not borrow as much as it did and still does anyway. The economic argument is about future growth and opportunities. If Brexit happens, trade won't stop but the short term outlook is bad because of uncertainty. Banks and house builders will be worst hit. You can already see their stock falling ever since the announcement of referendum date back in February. People who work for European companies may also get hit.
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If the UK does vote to stay in the EU which I very much hope will be the outcome, where do those that want to leave go
Since so many of those who objected to all the foreigners moving into London emigrated into EU countries (yes, really!), presumably the frustrated would-be Brexiters will do the same.If the UK does vote to stay in the EU which I very much hope will be the outcome, where do those that want to leave go
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Sorry trex, I seem to have deleted the post you replied to. Don't know how I managed to do that.
I think recent events in Belgum are on people's minds and how utterly useless their intelligence agencies have been. Add to this that the terrorists surfed into town on a tidal wave of migrants (Merkel is very quiet at the moment, has she died?), and I think it becomes a factor.
The U.K. is far better at fighting terrorism through intelligence and infiltration than any other EU country. Our skills in this area were honed in Northern Ireland. Leaving the EU, scrapping the human rights act and rewriting our own policies on border control will free us up to begin interning the hundreds, if not thousands, of people roaming our streets intent on harming us.
I would also like to see deportation of terror suspects to begin with the minimum of process and no right of appeal. Harsh and probably unfair, but years of suffering the utterly useless (today) and thoroughly abused human rights act has made it necessary.
We need someone who will implement Donald Trump's thinking in charge here. I'm affraid that we have been so catastrophically failed by the EU and successive governments that this is now what is required. Quitting the EU is the first step to recovery.
Germany (and most of Europe) is practically closed to new refugees at the moment, I hope that the current arrangement with Turkey will work long enough for peace to return to Syria.
Schengen should restore immediately their border checks until IS is dealt with and deportations of terrorists suspects should be easier.
This said, Brexit should really be about whether you want to live in a smaller, lower profile and possibly poorer country (Scotland, Wales and NI will probably detach themselves from England at some point, they don't like Westminster domination any more than Brexiters Europe).
There is an interesting debate on the BBC on the question 'does a country have the right to deny entry to an emigrant' . The starting point is: we all perceive as wrong to stop a Brit moving abroad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03njc35
Schengen should restore immediately their border checks until IS is dealt with and deportations of terrorists suspects should be easier.
This said, Brexit should really be about whether you want to live in a smaller, lower profile and possibly poorer country (Scotland, Wales and NI will probably detach themselves from England at some point, they don't like Westminster domination any more than Brexiters Europe).
There is an interesting debate on the BBC on the question 'does a country have the right to deny entry to an emigrant' . The starting point is: we all perceive as wrong to stop a Brit moving abroad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03njc35
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yes, IMHO the subtext in much of this debate is that citizens of wealthy countries can do anything (including assuming superiority), and those from poor countries very little and be treated with enormous suspicion. good on the bbc.
Trump exploits the anger of many American voters.
When they come down a bit, they will see through Trump.
Take Greece. Tsipras exploited the anger of most Greeks and won election after election but can he do as he promised? No.
I don't agree that we have been failed so catasprophically by the EU.
As a super-power, I'd say the EU is more successful than the USA in finding solutions, albeit partially, to the biggest issues we face today: peace on earth, pollution, energy, product safety standards, protection for workers etc.
Now look at the other super-power that we rely on: the USA. For spectacular failures, where do you want to start?
It's the fact that some of them tend to be sporting the latest designer Semtex waistcoats that causes the suspicion. With good cause too.
I don't think they will. Unless the Republicans ignore the democratic will of the people and remove him, I can see him winning in November. I do think it likely that Trump won't be selected as the presidential candidate, despite what the voting public want.
The Americans have had failures, but they have also brought enourmous amounts of good into the world. They are a race of people capable of turning the technologically unthinkable into reality. Maybe Trump will revive their former greatness.
I'm sure that you make a valuable contribution to Britain, which is appreciated. Equally, I'm sure that you benefit from living here, or else you wouldn't have come in the first place. That sounds like a mutually agreeable arrangement to me and the sort of immigration we want.
However, you make it sound as though you are living here under some kind of duress and your being here is an act of benevolence on your part.
If Britain is such a nasty place full of people you are ready to arbitrarily brand as xenophobes, why don't you leave? I guess you don't and won't, even if we do exit the EU, because you benefit from living and working here.
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don't be so sure. The EU's scientific research budget is immense and their effort is well coordinated. The momentum is with the EU, not with the Americans.
The EU lead already in all the critical areas of medecine, transport, renewable energy and material science. The Americans spend a lot more on defense but not as much on the rest.
The EU ITER project in Caradache:
https://www.iter.org/
you should watch the news more often, most of the atrocities (shootings in france, bombings in brussels) are committed by European citizens
That's what the politicians want us to believe. These people have no ancestory in Europe, no loyalty to Europe and no right to be in Europe. They need to be summarily deported.
They are only, "European Citizens" by virtue of broken, abused and outdated immigration policies.
no, many are second generation immigrants, what commentators refer to as disaffected youth. terrorism has much to do with alienation and anomia in Europe. but of course its much easier to blame it all on foreigners, like many other issues.
No, it's no ones fault but their own. Disadvantaged, alienated, all words used by the apologists. These people have chosen to kill innocent people because they are nasty, dangerous and evil individuals. They need to be put in a place where they can do no further harm.
Trump is one of a long line of that type of US candidates, who have managed to tap into the vein of working class people.
Using fears and resentment.
Little doubt if the never ending row of millionaires that populate the government front bench, do not listen to the public UK will get a Trump eventually.
Using fears and resentment.
Little doubt if the never ending row of millionaires that populate the government front bench, do not listen to the public UK will get a Trump eventually.