Tends to look that way, but I don't believe that 3% undecided from the Telegraph. All previous polls have shown vastly more undecided.
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Leaving the EU
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How can they possibly give each individual migrant, or person claiming refuge status, a full and fair hearing? Can you imagine the work involved to hear, investigate, assess and decide upon each and every individual case? Then there are the appeals. This, "solution" is not going to work. Those who have negotiated it and who are now promoting it know that it is destined to fail. It will become bogged down in hearings, appeals and with the logistics of returning those who's applications have been rejected. All the time, whilst this is happening, those waiting for a decision, or in the appeals process, will disappear and cross illegally into other countries. This will do absolutely nothing to deter more people from making the crossing to Greece. This solution will fail.
This whole exercise is nothing more than window dressing by the EU and a calculated move intended to deceive people into thinking that they have a grip on the situation, when clearly they have not. This is what I detest about the EU, they take the voting population for fools.
Immigration at this level and without any controls or screening is a threat to the stability of Europe, and if we remain part of the EU, to the UK too. As I have said before this one factor makes the other, debateable risks of leaving the EU small. I want out, nothing they are doing gives me any confidence.
Apparently, Germany have about 600,000 failed asylum seekers - it's no wonder that Merkel wants a quick solution. Most of them crossed from Turkey, so it's easiest to send them back there.
About 3,000 people cross from Turkey to Greece every day. I think the new solution will work for a while, perhaps long enough for Cameron to claim that the problem has been solved.
About 3,000 people cross from Turkey to Greece every day. I think the new solution will work for a while, perhaps long enough for Cameron to claim that the problem has been solved.
Spot on, but I hope that people will see through him. I think people are a bit more switched on these days with access to vastly more information than they were just a few years ago. The politicians are slow to realise this and hopefully Cameron will come unstuck as a result.
But now they've agreed to having them sent back, that number is likely to reduce since the Turkish authorities will be likely to make more effort to stop them setting out. They clearly haven't been trying very hard so far.
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The Turkish PM clearly said 'the EU needs Turkey', so why should they? they win either way. The more people try, the more they can exact money and other concessions from the EU.
I think this short term solution is not going to work. Only a new UN convention on migrants and political asylum seekers will.
I think this short term solution is not going to work. Only a new UN convention on migrants and political asylum seekers will.
Only for this present situation, for over three decades the EU have stubbornly blocked Turkey's wish to join the Union. Now with their greatly improved economy, Turkey has lost much of it's enthusiasm for doing so anyway.
But I agree that the current "solution" to the migrant issue is only a short term one which will need much better measures later.
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But none will be sent back so Turkey don't have the incentive to do anything more. The entire process will bog down under the weight of applications, hearing and appeals. Where are they going to wait whilst the process inches forward? The migrants will just continue on their journey to their intended destination as if nothing were happening. They won't even co-operate with fingerprinting, so they definitely won't engage with this process.
This in turn will send a message back that nothing has changed and people will continue to make the crossing whilst the politicians pretend that they have control. The EU's potential new partners, Turkey, will continue to blackmail and to extort money and favour from the EU in return.
It's a mess, no one in the EU is capable of sorting it out and if we remain in it we will be dragged down on the sinking ship. The EU is over, people are sick of the deceit and being taken for fools. Lets get out, others will follow and hopefully, after the initial pain, something better will replace it.
They will be. The agreement only permits Syrians to apply in that way. The rest, Afghans, Iraqis and others from Africa, all economic migrants, are to be sent straight back. No doubt Turkey in turn will eject them, but that's not our problem.
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I think you are right here. The status of refugee has been de-valued by abuse. The old system has run it's course, the world has changed and a fresh approach is needed. A new system which gives protection and safety to those fleeing persecution and danger is needed.
I know it's very difficult to filter the genuine cases from those just wanting a change of country and the perceived riches that brings. I don't have the answer, but I'm sure that with the right people and the political will, it can be done.
I'm not as sure as the rest of you that the refugee crisis is really the fulcrum of it all - speaking of which, what a week its turning out to be with IDS resigning - probably more for brexit reasons than anything else. but will it swing the balance? and where will Osborne get the billions he wont get from welfare nuts? i'm as wildly happy as any other non tory about the torys and (IMHO) their damaging policies being sabotaged, but I worry the money will instead come from somewhere more damaging. o also feel ambivalent about the cuts to disability benefit, I know someone with not so severe arthritis who purchased a £45k car with it..
There is nothing wrong with helping people with genuine disability's, but it seems to be given out far too freely. Why does it allow people to have cars costing twenty thousand and upwards especially when not working. I think it needs a big overhaul but as usual the government have gone about it in a ham fisted way. Perhaps if we didn't spend 12billion in foreign aid each year we may be able to look after our own people better
I suspect he did not like his Department's ring fenced privatized gravy chain from being torn down to support the anti Brexit 18 to 40 LISA bribe, which the vote hinges on, but funnily did not complain about the previous OAP NSI bond giveaway which helped them get re-elected.
They should invest the money into creating a tin food mountain to secure the Country's future long term food needs to feed the population for when the next global recession hits our shores, but they prefer to support the drive forward of the cashless society systems the banks are striving for, so that the nations wealth, your savings, can be electronically milked when the global interest rates go negative and they charge you for just leaving your money in the bank and you won't be able to take it out of the banks because money won't exist anymore.
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Personally, I can`t see that the cashless society will ever become reality. The black economy and the criminal underworld will find a way around it. I believe that in post war Germany, cigarettes were used as currency. What about Bitcoin?
Although it is a threat, if it ever came about there would be a boom in alternative currencies, from the likes of Bitcoin to local trading currencies. There's already a large number of alternatives, plus numerous local currencies. And of course there is still investment in bonds and the like, including the safest with fixed returns.
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This link above is not much use since one has to subscribe.
This alternative link is accessible for everyone.
I'n not arguing that it won't happen, only that the alternatives will take the place of cash and current banking and saving methods. The population will insist on it.
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From the link in my post above, I couldn't help noticing the extraordinary adoption of online banking in Norway, far, far in advance of anywhere else in the world.
From an already record breaking 75% in 2008, last year it was 90% of their population and will be up again this year.
I wonder why, I can't find anything materially different about their online banking? In fact opening a bank account in Norway is more difficult than in most countries, since one has to first register with the credit agency the bank in question uses, Experian seemingly the most commonly used.
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From an already record breaking 75% in 2008, last year it was 90% of their population and will be up again this year.
I wonder why, I can't find anything materially different about their online banking? In fact opening a bank account in Norway is more difficult than in most countries, since one has to first register with the credit agency the bank in question uses, Experian seemingly the most commonly used.
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