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steeveclarke

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Hi

New member here.

Looking to buy an ebike in the next few months.

I currently ride a Specialized Hybrid.

I'm considering buying an ADO Air 28 or an Engwe 275 Pro

Both of these seem to be suspiciously cheap compared to a Specialized EBike.

I was wondering what the drawbacks are.

Steve
 

Peter.Bridge

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What sort of riding do you anticipate doing ? Mostly road based ?, trails and forest tracks ? mountain bike off roading ? What sort of distances ? Just had a quick look - looked a fair share of hills but nothing too extreme - does the ADO Air 28 have gears ? - I think you would want one with gears. Lastly , what sort of weight are you ? Potentially someone that is 100kg would need a much more powerful motor than someone that is 60 kg.

You will have to make a choice between the "closed" ebike systems from Bosch, Yamaha, Shimano, in which case the bike shop will have to do the maintenance or the "generic" chinese technology bikes that you would be able to maintain (and upgrade) yourself - nothing wrong with either - just think about it beforehand

There's also the option to convert an existing bike by adding a kit - which is maybe not as complicated as some people would think
 
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Hi

New member here.

Looking to buy an ebike in the next few months.

I currently ride a Specialized Hybrid.

I'm considering buying an ADO Air 28 or an Engwe 275 Pro

Both of these seem to be suspiciously cheap compared to a Specialized EBike.

I was wondering what the drawbacks are.

Steve
When you ride a bike without a motor, you need high spec lightweight components that are expensive. When you have a motor, robustness is more important, unless you're using it for some type of sport. The robust components tend to be a lot cheaper.

So, it depends what you want the bike for. If it's for shopping, commuting or just riding around, the cheapest ebikes work very well. It's important that you get one with a battery big enough to get the range you need. Many of the lightest ones have very small batteries.

When selecting your ebike, the most important thing is to get one with standard, widely used battery, LCD and motor. Bear in mind that many bikes have systems locked by communications, which means that only a dealer can diagnose and fix problems, so if you want to service the bike yourself, you should get a bike with standard Chinese parts. If you can't service and fix a bike of any type yourself, you should buy from a local dealer, and you're limited to whatever they have.

Definitely avoid any bike that is loaded with gimmicks and non-standard stuff. You'd be surprised at how many people come on this forum with such bikes not working after the brand has moved on to new gimmicks and can't support them with the old ones, or simply went bust because all the gimmicks gave problems.

If you tell us what you want your bike to do, how heavy you are and what sort of hills you expect to ride, we can probably point you at a suitable solution. Personally, I wouldn't choose either of the ones that you have suggested.
 

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If your need is basic, low cost transport, almost anything will do, and it doesn't need to cost much. If you want sophisticated engineering for demanding offroad sport, that's another world. Most people are somewhere in between!

Have a read of the Bargains thread, and the Argos £245 bike threads. You can have the hard tail versions of the sophisticated mid-drive systems around the £2K mark, for last years model or lesser known bike brands with well trusted motors. Or half that or less for basic hub motor transport.

If you are able to borrow and try different styles of bike you can answer your own questions quite quickly.
 
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steeveclarke

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Thanks for the replies, guys.

I weigh 103kg.

My current ride is for maintaining health and getting some fresh air. I ride a 1 hour circular ride every morning (very early so it's quiet) on the roads. The terrain is reasonably flat but I was thinking an ebike might open up some of the more hilly areas.

If I avoid ADO and Engwe, Are there other brands that are suitable.

I was hoping to get a bike for under 2k but I don't think anything Specialized do is that cheap.

Steve
 

Peter.Bridge

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Thanks for the replies, guys.

I weigh 103kg.

My current ride is for maintaining health and getting some fresh air. I ride a 1 hour circular ride every morning (very early so it's quiet) on the roads. The terrain is reasonably flat but I was thinking an ebike might open up some of the more hilly areas.

If I avoid ADO and Engwe, Are there other brands that are suitable.

I was hoping to get a bike for under 2k but I don't think anything Specialized do is that cheap.

Steve
Here is an earlier thread on someone with similar requirements


eta - notice the 29" eleglide M2 is in stock - looks a good deal and well equipped


Hydraulic Front Suspension and Hydraulic Brakes 36V 15Ah battery

Also worth looking at Woosh ebikes and Wisper ebikes - have very good customer service and reputation here
 
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matthewslack

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Your best guide is riding your normal hour route on exemplar bikes and seeing how you enjoy them. If you want exercise that does tend to point towards torque sensor, which does nothing unless you do, rather than cadence sensor where turning the pedals with no effort is all you need to do.

Is there a friendly bike shop nearby?
 

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At the cheap end, something like this would do. At 105kg, you need 48v for the extra torque.

In the middle price range, something like the Wisper Wayfarer hub-motor version would be good:

or the Woosh Gran Camino, which is 36v, but has a more powerful 20 amp controller for extra torque.


After that, any crank-drive bike with a Bosch motor. You can often find hard-tails on discount for around £1600, but bear in mind only Bosch dealers can fix electrical problems.
 

Ghost1951

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my introduction to ebikes was with a second hand Specialised bike, converted with a 250 watt Bafang crank motor - the BBS01. It cost me a shade under £1100 with the conversion done. It has good hydraulic brakes. I have never regretted buying it and have done about 3000 miles on it. The battery had a range of about fifty some miles with input from me and even three and a bit years later it will still do 40 miles and not be entirely exhausted. I haven't used it that much this year since I bought an Argos bargain hub motor folder - way less powerful, but I really like it for knocking about on local trips. I use it about one day in two, generally. It is very crude, but it works and being generic Chinese components, it can be fixed up cheaply if anything goes wrong. I need some new pedals for it. One broke at about 400 miles. I pinched one off my Specialised bike for the time being.
 

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Why not stick with Specialized ? They do a Hybrid Ebike and if you look at an Evans site they are £1750 reduced from £2500 admittedly for a 2023 model . You are at Fleet and you could look at various models in their shops , one is at Reading . Your listed first choice of Models have snags in my opinion , no front suspension on one and no gears on the other .
There is no substitute for looking/ trying Models unless you are buying cheaper Chinese Models in which case you take pot luck . My 4 `cheap` Chinese machines bought over 14 years and all still going strong have proved to be good buys .
 
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steeveclarke

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Why not stick with Specialized ? They do a Hybrid Ebike and if you look at an Evans site they are £1750 reduced from £2500 admittedly for a 2023 model . You are at Fleet and you could look at various models in their shops , one is at Reading . Your listed first choice of Models have snags in my opinion , no front suspension on one and no gears on the other .
There is no substitute for looking/ trying Models unless you are buying cheaper Chinese Models in which case you take pot luck . My 4 `cheap` Chinese machines bought over 14 years and all still going strong have proved to be good buys .
Well that's spooky. I was just going to return here and get a consensus if this was a good choice.

Specialized Turbo Como 3.0 2023 Electric Hybrid Bike | Evans Cycles

*** I posted this before I read Saneagle's reply
 

matthewslack

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For standard read 'generic Chinese hub motor system'.

Most (all?) of the cheap ones have a crude control system that works but may be frustratingly unlike normal cycling to a regular cyclist. The advice you'll get here for that is 'chuck away everything but the motor and battery, replace with better KT kit'.

It is almost as easy to convert a bike of your choice from scratch with KT kit than do that.


If we apply 'standard' to torque sensor mid-drive bikes, it means stick with the best known motor manufacturers and stay away from the bleeding edge. That means Bosch, Yamaha, Shimano.

The trellis bit refers to the unrepairable nature of these systems. If the motor fails, you replace the whole unit. Same with the battery. There's a judgement to be made here. They are very reliable and long (mileagewise) lived, if used carefully and not gratuitously exposed to water, less so if used for heavy duty offroad adventures. The riding experience is on another level.
 

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So what would be a "standard" motor and electrical system?
Most Chinese bikes, but make sure it has one of the standard types of batteries. Avoid any with unusual shapes or fittings, especially ones hidden in tubes. Any bike with a Bosch or Yamaha system (not the Giant modified Yamahas) would be on my list. Avoid Brose. Shimano are pretty good and quite reliable, but problems are impossible to fix without huge expense.

With the Chinese bikes, you can replace individual electrical components for not a lot. Bosch, Yamaha, etc repairs will always be expensive, as they need dealer involvement and parts are expensive.

It's a shame we have to cross non-standard bikes off the list because some of them are probably pretty good; however, there have been too many people coming on this forum asking about how to repair their non-standard bike, when there's nothing we can do to help them after their brand went into liquidation and there are no spare parts available or they're locked out by communication protocols in the ebike software.
 

saneagle

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It's not that difficult to convert most bikes to electric. You can get a nice powerful kit from Woosh for about £650 (48v TSDZ8) that can be fitted in an afternoon. If you want to go that route, show some photos of your bike which show the detail around the bottom bracket on both sides and the frame around the chainwheel.

Hub-motors can be a better solution, but it's a bit more involved to get the right components to suit your needs. The Woosh crank-motors are a good general solution, but a hub-motor can get you a better specific solution.
 
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Rule of thumb - Bolt on = good, Built in = Bad.

the stylish built in bikes will require equally stylish and unique parts and bits when replacements are needed due to knocks and bumps and life in general.. Should the bike last long enough to exhaust a battery finding a specific shape battery box 3-5 yrs down the road could be tricky or expensive..

The Fully featured control systems with battery communication and bluetooth will lock you into a single specific service/repair system while stopping you from making simple changes and upgrades.

Meanwhile a generic kit is extremely modular, motor from kit a will work with battery from kit c and controller from kit B and all the combinations... a sensor dies/gets damaged, $5-20 gets you a generic replacement off the shelf next day/week.. a 'stylish' branded bike sensor could easily require a custom formfactor and only be available from dealers and perhaps may not even be available to the public easily requiring a whole service and accumulated costs to fit.

Best VFM ebike imho is a conversion based on a solid comfy bike with good brakes. Ideally frame geometry needs to accommodate a battery with a low mounting for a low centre of gravity. The conversion is akin to a rear tyre exchange with extra tidying up with the cables.. the #1 gotcha with a diy hub kit is mounting the wheel upside down, I was guilty.. its a right of passage.. easily spotted once u post a 'after' pic here with pride :)
 
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Ghost1951

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Thanks Guerney. I think I have some in my garage in Newcastle ina big box of junk bike bits. If nothing suits there, I will bear the link in mind. I have a couple of old folders - three actually if I include the Brompton - not that I will be cannibalising that!

EDIT:

That pedal on Amazon looks exactly like the ones I fitted to my Brompton when I got it about 12 years ago. They are - as you say - very robust, light and reliable.

I think the Brompton plastic pedals are in that box in the garage that I mentioned. I just need to mine my way into it through a lot of other stored 'useful stuff' AKA junk...
 
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