Cheapish Motor Wheels

[cyclebuddy]

I borrowed that one. I do buy my own bikes on ebay. As I said before, there are ways to avoid taxes for those who can't be caught.
The point is, I would like senior members, those who help out with their expertise, not to recommend Chinese Internet shops unless it's unavoidable.

It's a little alarming how you've gone back and since edited virtually all your posts/responses... I think that's called "covering your arse"... is that in case HMRC are reading this?

 

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[Woosh]

It's usually to correct the typos. Also, I still think in French way and type out in English. Most of the time it's OK but reading back, I can put the same thoughts in better English in subsequent edits. I do this in bed with my phone and it sometimes changes the spelling unexpectedly

 

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if you pay any tax as a business then you are stupid just look at the massive corporations like apple ect as pay next to nothing anti repair wont sell parts throw it in the bin and buy a new one.

 

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[Woosh]

Goodnight, sleep well, don't let the bed bugs bite.

 

[cyclebuddy]

It's usually to correct the typos. Also, I still think in French way and type out in English. Most of the time it's OK but reading back, I can put the same thoughts in better English in subsequent edits. I do this in bed with my phone and it sometimes changes the spelling unexpectedly

And here come the excuses... in many cases, you've added significant amounts of text/reasoning since responses were posted!

My point would be that the Chinese have recognised the resistance as to why some Western/European customers were/are still reluctant to buy their products... Far East manufacture nearly always won on low price, but the problem traditionally used to be poor quality. That's largely not so anymore. Slow shipping/delivery/wait times? Not so any more. A lack of service? For the larger players certainly, not true any more.

I don't think in this day and age it's okay to keep bashing the Chinese... the point being they had faults, but recognised their shortcomings, and for the most part made great strides to address those failings... Quality, Service, Rapid delivery, Parts availability... in many cases, it now equals (maybe not yet exceeds) Eastern/European manufacturers.

There certainly are a number of blinkered members on this forum who think only the Germans can make a decent e-bike, and are quite happy to be ripped off with that very dated and - if you now evaluate the products fairly - misguided opinion. So entrenched in their view, they don't even bother to check the opposition/current state of play.

I'm currently evaluating 60+ Chinese products for an on-line distributor... Only one product has had serious (safety) failings. Probably 20% could do a bit better, but for the proposed price, not bad. The rest were exemplary. No one here in the UK could make it better and retail it for anywhere near the same price.

So why @Woosh, if you're simply importing and reselling Chinese goods when the Chinese (some suppliers, not all) can now do that equally as well directly, would anybody buy from you... other than to support your retirement in your French home? I don't mean to be rude or offensive, I just think that's a valid question!!

 

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And here come the excuses... in many cases, you've added significant amounts of text/reasoning since responses were posted!

My point would be that the Chinese have recognised the resistance as to why some Western/European customers were/are still reluctant to buy their products... Far East manufacture nearly always won on low price, but the problem traditionally used to be poor quality. That's largely not so anymore. Slow shipping/delivery/wait times? Not so any more. A lack of service? For the larger players certainly, not true any more.

I don't think in this day and age it's okay to keep bashing the Chinese... the point being they had faults, but recognised their shortcomings, and for the most part made great strides to address those failings... Quality, Service, Rapid delivery, Parts availability... in many cases, it now equals (maybe not yet exceeds) Eastern/European manufacturers.

There certainly are a number of blinkered members on this forum who think only the Germans can make a decent e-bike, and are quite happy to be ripped off with that very dated and - if you now evaluate the products fairly - misguided opinion. So entrenched in their view, they don't even bother to check the opposition/current state of play.

I'm currently evaluating 60+ Chinese products for an on-line distributor... Only one product has had serious (safety) failings. Probably 20% could do a bit better, but for the proposed price, not bad. The rest were exemplary. No one here in the UK could make it better and retail it for anywhere near the same price.

So why @Woosh, if you're simply importing and reselling Chinese goods when the Chinese (some suppliers, not all) can now do that equally as well directly, would anybody buy from you... other than to support your retirement in your French home? I don't mean to be rude or offensive, I just think that's a valid question!!

for me no that would be no option as could build a bike cheaper my self but i dont have the parts to provide reliable warranty and if you deal with ppl in china it takes time as not like a holes in usa.

 

[cyclebuddy]

if you pay any tax as a business then you are stupid just look at the massive corporations like apple ect as pay next to nothing anti repair wont sell parts throw it in the bin and buy a new one.

Actually not true. I'm being offered iPhone repair kits to evaluate from the Chinese... but I won't accept them because I personally on principle won't use/buy/support Apple products. I do love people who buy Apple products and Tesla products though... I have shares in both, and their absurd profits are doing wonders for my retirement plan!

But it's a matter of individual conscience whether people buy these products knowing how the makers avoid (which is not illegal) tax. If you want to blame anyone, blame Governments and not the Companies for taking advantage of stupid tax laws. Like the Chinese importing bikes, who can blame them avoiding taxes if it's legal? Wouldn't you?

 

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[Woosh]

And here come the excuses... in many cases, you've added significant amounts of text/reasoning since responses were posted!

I replied to one part of your post, then reply to the next part in the second edit, and on to the third and so on, the reason is I don't want to litter the thread with too many small posts.
It's just a habit (not an excuse), because I have not changed the previous replies nor the thinking on my replies to previous parts. If you quote my reply in a previous edit, the quote is still the same so not confusing for anyone.

My point would be that the Chinese have recognised the resistance as to why some Western/European customers were/are still reluctant to buy their products... Far East manufacture nearly always won on low price, but the problem traditionally used to be poor quality. That's largely not so anymore. Slow shipping/delivery/wait times? Not so any more. A lack of service? For the larger players certainly, not true any more.

In a previous post, I explained that ebikes made in China has to pay anti-dumping duty. I can buy Chinese parts and assemble them into an e-bike without paying anti dumping duty which is still around 22%-25% on the cost insurance and freight.
However, assembled in the UK is not the same as made in the UK.
If I bring my bikes over to the EU after brexit, my customers have to pay anti-dumping. That will make the price .of my bikes 25% dearer than the same in the UK.
Conversely, if the same bike were assembled by Woosh Bikes SARL in France, UK customers would be charged anti-dumping.
After the EU started to impose anti-dumping duty, many Chinese ebike companies setup operations in Turkey, Tchekia, Spain etc to assemble their bikes like I do here. There is nothing wrong with that.
However, they can't compete with me on price in the UK unless they misdeclare that their bike is made in the EU.

 

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So why @Woosh, if you're simply importing and reselling Chinese goods when the Chinese (some suppliers, not all) can now do that equally as well directly, would anybody buy from you... other than to support your retirement in your French home? I don't mean to be rude or offensive, I just think that's a valid question!!

I don't think it's a valid question at all, you are effectively saying that if one finds they have a competitor doing the same thing or better, they should pack up shop! That's how we ended up with losing our small shops to the dominance of supermarkets who now make us suffer for it. Ultimately with your logic we could end up with only one supplier, Temu, and be very sorry for it.

Choice is good, we choose who we buy from according to personal preferences which are often irrational, but that is the expression of our of freedom to live as we wish.

Just as Woosh, a Frenchman with family in France, chose to also live and work here within the EU where everyone had those freedoms. He is offering choice, which includes some factors that appeal to certain customers, such as being in the UK, such as the support he offers through here, such as often tailoring to a customer's requirements. Whether these are actually advantages isn't relevant, they are choice which is always good, not anti-competitive restraint of trade or monopoly which are always bad.
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[Paul1962]

I just looked at the spares on the Eleglide site and they sell bare motors for £115 and complete motor wheels for about £132. I didn't want to enter all my details to get the shipping cost, but hopefully it's not too much. You get a £25 discount code if you sighn up to the newsletter. They also have a load of other useful parts - controllers, sensors, LCDs, cables, etc.

These are the prices in the EU:




I think especially the first one is intersting as a a spare as it i replaced within 30 minutes withou the ned to mount a new set of spokes.

 

[AntonyC]

Cycle to work is salary sacrifice, it's not benefit in kind. No need to declare on P11D. I created the self administered c2w contract for £1000 bike that I email to anyone wanting to use it.

Is this as it reads, that a buyer isn't tied to their employer's choice of scheme, and won't be tied to dubious buy-back terms either?

 

[Woosh]

Is this as it reads, that a buyer isn't tied to their employer's choice of scheme, and won't be tied to dubious buy-back terms either?

the self administered scheme suits tiny firms, employing a few people or one person businesses.
It gives you (or your employer) full control how much you want to charge for rent, like £1 a month. The limitation is £1,000 because it does not require a credit license. The buy back value should follow government guidance (about £100 in year 1, no guidance after that) although I doubt anyone would check.

 

[guerney]

I agree with you on the unavailability of a lot of products. Maplin could have done it but they have gone.
We don't unfortunately have a large sector in kit parts. With the exception of Swytch, sales made by local businesses are too small to even come near to critical mass. Since 2020, we have also lost sales to EU customers.

That's classic misdirection. Here's someone else enquiring after a motor today:

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/motor-for-130-mm-rear-drop-outs.46586/#post-700637

The point is, I would like senior members, those who help out with their expertise, not to recommend Chinese Internet shops unless it's unavoidable.

Are you trying to turn forum experts into your sales staff? Why not sell that poster a kit yourself? Do your own work. Or pay them a commission.

It wouldn't be unavoidable if you sold bare motors, controllers etc. Or if the commission and salary with dental and EV package was interesting enough financially, to turn pedelecs.co.uk into a complete conversion kit with battery selling boiler room.

AFAIK Forum experts are not your employees. They provide free impartial advice, and long may it remain that way. If you don't enjoy selling (who does?), perhaps you should hire someone (no dental plan required - teeth are invisible on the forum thank goodness) to push product here.

 

[guerney]

I could have suggested the new Shengyi DWG-2NC rear hub motor which is a lovely motor, medium weight, quiet, refined and with freehub. It could have done the job for the OP but I only have it in 20" in stock at the moment.
It's very suitable for folders such as Dahons and Terns. A cassette is much better for quality bikes.
I will have it in 26"/28"/29" later.
Many senior members on the forum have strong views about what is good.
For me, 6 screws to open the motor lid, support for both disc brakes and rim brakes, 9-pin connector are must haves and a freehub is worth the extra money any day.

Are you avoiding rejection? You've posted all that on the wrong thread. You cannot afford to be shy when selling, or you'll never make a penny. And that's why cocaine is so popular in boiler rooms, one of the reasons anyway. I'm told the other reason is 12 hour erections, but that doctor might have confused cocaine with something else. He stopped being a doctor shortly afterwards, grew a beard, shaved his head, and went to work for a laser startup which folded after 16 years, so perhaps it wasn't his first confusion or his last.

 

[Woosh]

sorry, brain fade moment.
I was thinking about the guy who needed a rear hub motor with 130mm dropout, but I replied to the wrong thread!

Apologies.

 

[AntonyC]

The point is, I would like senior members, those who help out with their expertise, not to recommend Chinese Internet shops unless it's unavoidable.

Assuming that Woosh is one of the businesses contributing towards hosting this forum that would be asking for reasonable etiquette, but still I don't think it would work in their favour.

It comes across quickly to visitors here that Woosh supports their products to the hilt, equally that those posting here are clearly unfettered if not impartial and that there aren't the guru's clique or off-limits topics sometimes seen elsewhere.

This adds up to an exceptionally safe environment for making a purchase and for venturing beyond well-known brands and annual warranties, with both knowledge and parts being readily available (and apparently usable by mortals) if and when the supplier's own support finds its limits.