Cheapish Motor Wheels
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I use both mini hub and tsdz2. The mini hub Bafang G370 I have found to be superb, high internal motor gearing allowing for greater unpowered fiding shoul done need to conserve battery for extra range. No issue with towing my overloaded trailer when I accidently miscalculated the weight of six damp/ wet compost bags coming in over 125kg. The G370 for the roadrat build was my motor of choice as I wanted the Alfine 8 and a double chainwheel, also there was no need to file the surly fork dropouts as the 10mm motor axle fitted in to the dropout dimples perfectly .
The tsdz2 was the logical choice for my cargo bike as I didn't want to mess with drop outs on the Ute from the std set up, again I have a double chain ring to use for those heavier 100kg trailer loads.
There is no one motor is better then the other , both do the job very well . It is a case of selecting the right motor for the bike and usage. A torque control controller and hub still make for a more relaxing ride then the tsdz2 , the difference being with TS mid motor one has to put in more effort.
The tsdz2 was the logical choice for my cargo bike as I didn't want to mess with drop outs on the Ute from the std set up, again I have a double chain ring to use for those heavier 100kg trailer loads.
There is no one motor is better then the other , both do the job very well . It is a case of selecting the right motor for the bike and usage. A torque control controller and hub still make for a more relaxing ride then the tsdz2 , the difference being with TS mid motor one has to put in more effort.
This is probably the best possible conclusion to the whole hub vs. mid conflict.
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Tsdz2 compared to BBS imv is a no contest win for the TSDZ2, the TS drive being far better then the cadence torque control of the BBS. The KT torque control is also much better then the BBS I feel.
I find the Tsdz2 applies the power better so much so that a throttle is less likely to be needed (I of course don't use them). The other main factor is the doubling of the internal gearing of the Tsdz2 that makes unpowered riding so much less effortless, you would only know this by trying to ride a BBS for 14 odd miles with flat battery and up hill.
The modern era sports e-biking diy movement and manufacturers have chosen the middrive because they want to rough out the rides with jumps and rough terrain. A hub can handle the rough terrain but no the jumps but can still with the correct control system handle much of the same terrain without the need of the same effort, my 100 mile rides with a lot of trail off road riding has shown this up many times .
I find the Tsdz2 applies the power better so much so that a throttle is less likely to be needed (I of course don't use them). The other main factor is the doubling of the internal gearing of the Tsdz2 that makes unpowered riding so much less effortless, you would only know this by trying to ride a BBS for 14 odd miles with flat battery and up hill.
The modern era sports e-biking diy movement and manufacturers have chosen the middrive because they want to rough out the rides with jumps and rough terrain. A hub can handle the rough terrain but no the jumps but can still with the correct control system handle much of the same terrain without the need of the same effort, my 100 mile rides with a lot of trail off road riding has shown this up many times .
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The same as me, he's only done it to be popular. He hates it really.Hmm... didn't Nealh mentioned recently he is using TSDZ2? Traitor!
I admit to being tempted by the price of TSDZ2 vs BBS01B... but knowing my luck I'll buy one with all of the manufacturing faults and experience every problem caused by the TSDZ2's design faults ever mentioned by the more unfortunate owners on this forum.
Wouldn't that be lovely? With all spare parts available think about opportunity to tinker with your motor during long winter nights. That is way more better than Netflix! And if it is not enough, you can buy cooling kit and temperature sensor.
It appears only the ES abusers seem to have issues with the Tsdz2, they tend to push to much power through the drives . The axle breakages appear to be with the longer BB axle models. That said they have done a good job in showing up it's issues so that the rest of us can make the small mods to ensure the motor works better. The heat mods may not be needed but are fairly simple to carry out and one reason I did so for the towing of my heavier loads , the no brainer extra crank area bearings is a two minute job before fitting the cranks.
It is the one that the mid drive fanboys can't comprehend and likely most of them have never seriously tried a decent hub controlled bike for long periods like us in the know. In comparing both one has to be honest with both of the drives merits and one is certainly not better then the other . If it were the case we wouldn't buy or use hubs for there simplicity and reliability even having tried and owned mid drives.
To my mind where the motor is sited is less important than whether the e-bike has a cadence or torque sensor.
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My Wiper 705 has a torque sensor & rear hub motor. A throttle isn't required for hills as I have 5 levels of assist with the top being full assist ie working like a cadence sensor..
I've always wondered why torque sensing systems didn't work like that.
I'd even asked on the forum a couple of times if there was a reason why not, but never got a response.
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The position of the motor is a point of safety. The Type of sensor isn't.
The type of sensor makes very little difference to any bike. It's only a sensor. It doesn't control any motor or power. All it does is to tell your controller that you're pedalling and often how hard too. It's the controller that has the power algorithms that affect how the bike rides.
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