Brexit, for once some facts.
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Very slowly, they are starting to whisper, “4th dose” in our ears. As of today, they are discussing giving a 4th dose to the vulnerable elderly. This will happen, then it will be, “the elderly” and gradually work its way down the age range.
Does this stuff even qualify as a vaccine any more? My sister and her family (8 in total), all triple vaccinated, we’re together on Christmas Day. All 8 tested positive for coronavirus on the 27th. None had symptoms any worse than a cold. Was the mildness due to the “vaccine “ or is Coronavirus simply mild in the Omicron form?
The thing they are pumping into arms scarcely fits the definition of a vaccine. I’d describe it as a pre-emptive medicine, at best.
It does make a useful sideshow for Boris Johnson though. It enables him to answer any questions on any topic simply by saying, “vaccine.” It’s quite incredible.
Does this stuff even qualify as a vaccine any more? My sister and her family (8 in total), all triple vaccinated, we’re together on Christmas Day. All 8 tested positive for coronavirus on the 27th. None had symptoms any worse than a cold. Was the mildness due to the “vaccine “ or is Coronavirus simply mild in the Omicron form?
The thing they are pumping into arms scarcely fits the definition of a vaccine. I’d describe it as a pre-emptive medicine, at best.
It does make a useful sideshow for Boris Johnson though. It enables him to answer any questions on any topic simply by saying, “vaccine.” It’s quite incredible.
What's in a name anyway
lets see how this pans out .... see my previous post that both myself and my wife are unwelcome guinea pigs. my son certainly has covid at present . We have 3 positive LFTs for from Sunday last to confirm this as well as the other tell tale signs ... coughing , rigours etc . He only has had 2 shots of vaccine . We are all within the same household . Neither my wife nor I have had any obvious symptoms yet , and we did a LFT yesterday , we will do second ones probabliy of Tuesday next. .
If we do not get positive LFT results that wold be very strong evidence that the 3 jab vaccination treatment actually works , since conventional wisdom , from our HSE is that with Delta or Omnicron , cross infections within a household are virtually guaranteed
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And now the Covid news
Cyprus Finds Covid-19 Infections That Combine Delta and Omicron
Cyprus Finds Covid-19 Infections That Combine Delta and Omicron
Annoying website. But this is why the naive "Omicron is the beginning of the end", "Covid will be like the common cold" statements/claims are so objectionable. Obviously, we can hope, but when people with qualifications state, seemingly with certainty, that such things are true, they undermine whatever faith is left in medicine.
I suppose for those who die, the statement "Omicron is the beginning of the end" is perfectly true.
After 59 years suffering London's NHS, what faith ever? I had better GP and hospital treatment in the 1940s before the NHS existed, and free too because I was a youngster then.
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Like the "Learn to live with it" phrase. With the unspoken rider " - and, if you can't, die with it."
That I wouldn't mind, especially with my heart trouble. Trouble is the dying bit doesn't happen, all I get is the suffering dragging on and on with FA done about it.
Like last night woken up with painful tachycardia at 3am with it continuing for over an hour before stopping. This is the seventh time in the last 19 days, in such periods making the prospect of going to bed a miserable one. I'd much prefer to just not wake up one day.
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If I fail, I'll provoke a potentially devastating mess. Which will hurt me more than it hurts you. (Shades of sadistic teachers.)
Liz Truss ‘willing’ to trigger article 16 of Brexit protocol if talks falter
As she prepares for crunch EU talks this week, the foreign secretary says her priority is to protect Northern Ireland’s peace deal
The foreign secretary, Liz Truss, has warned she is prepared to unilaterally override parts of the post-Brexit agreement on Northern Ireland if the negotiations she is newly leading fail.
Don't we have a policy of not paying terrorists ransoms? Like Somali pirates, the EU have taken peace in Ireland hostage.
Meet the new boss , same as the old boss. At some stage someone in the UK will have to say to the DUP ... "We are no longer pandering to you ..." You do realise that this is all about elections in NI this year.? The likihood is that SF will be the single largest party and therefore gets to select the First Minister .. . . The DUP lost out by backing Brexit in 2016 to appease the Tories, and will now face a backlash. They want now to bring down the NI Executive rather than have a smiling SF First Minister.
My 13 year old grandson lives with my wife and I, he has had Covid twice (delta variant) the first time no symptoms, the second time a few weeks later a nasty cough. My wife and I are both triple jabbed, we didn't catch Covid on either occasion. Although I can't be 100% sure, I imagine the main reason neither of us caught it was down to having had three doses of the vaccine.
My grandson goes back to school tomorrow, well over half his year group have had the virus but it was the Delta variant. When they go back I can't see why most of the school won't catch Omicron, having had the Delta variant gives very little protection from catching Omicron. It does however give excellent protection from serious illness.
I think there is a very high probability that he will catch Omicron and give it to my wife and I, hopefully the vaccines will once again either stop us getting it or stop us getting seriously ill and needing hospital treatment.
I have lost count now of the amount of people living in my area that have caught Omicron, most of these have been triple jabbed and I have not heard of any of them needing to go to hospital. Most people seem to be getting cold like symptoms ranging from mild to quite severe.
A few people in their 50s and 60s have told us that they were surprised how bad Omicron was, they were expecting just a bit of a cold but had ended up in bed for several days feeling absolutely awful.
I think virtually everything Truss is now doing is seen through the prism of the Tory leadership. Boris is a busted flush I think it's not a matter of if but when he will step down. I really can't see him fighting the next election, so Truss is positioning herself with this in mind.
She understands what needs to be done and said to appeal to the majority of Tory party members (the ones that finally decide who will lead their party), these seem to be from the hard Brexit community and although I think she was a remainer, that wont stop her trying to become their favorite candidate.
For Labour they would most like Boris to stay in post because I think that gives them the best chance of winning the next election, however if the Tories go into the next election with Truss as their leader that wont be a bad outcome for Labour either.
Ambition is everything to Johnson, so I think he will fight the next election to get the second term he so desperately wants in order to join that select club of multi term PMs.
It was clear from the outset of his premiership that he intended to call an early election at an opportune moment, knowing that as time went on the failings of Brexit would scupper his chancees later. Trouble was of course that Covid messed up that plan, but it's obvious he's still going to try.
A bill to repeal the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 is currently going through Parliament. His Government has said that the Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Bill 2021-22 will repeal the 2011 Act and enable Parliament to be dissolved and called as if the 2011 Act had never been passed. That will enable him to call a general election at any opportune moment.
As for Labour's chances, there are two problems. A key one is that the odds have been heavily stacked against them by the success of the SNP. Labour has only ever got near to power with the majority of the Scottish seats and that includes the Blair governments. But Blair foolishly brought in the Scottish parliament with increased home rule, inadvertantly stimulating the Scottish desires to be completely free and thus bringing the SNP to previously only dreamt of power.
Numerically Labour getting into power with a majority of votes from small "c" conservative England is unlikely.
Labour's second problem is the lack of policies. Johnson stole Corbyn's policies to make this the most left wing Tory government ever and this, plus the huge growth of the national debt, has left Starmer floundering.
Listening to Starmer showed this only too clearly, left only with talking about uniting the nation. Every prospective PM does this, Thatcher in 1979, Blair in 1997 and Cameron doing the same, all three after getting into power. Electorally these fine words cut no ice, all the electorate want to know before the vote is "What's in it for me?"
All Johnson needs is a bit of luck, such as Covid declining in support of his "vaccination is everything" policy, and I could see him back in number 10 with a reduced majority from a snap general election.
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that is not important for small "c" conservative England vote.
They are very easily frightened off, never discount the Tory lie machine. It's destroyed many past Labour leaders and will be brought into use again if necessary.
It doesn't need much, given the large numerical advantage the Tories have since the loss of Scotland and even a little of Wales.
It might have been easier for Starmer if he was an original, but he's not, he's Blair mark 2 in every respect and that is a huge disadvantage for left wing voters.
No matter how bad Johnson is, for Labour to win a GE with a strong enough majority to govern, it's uphill all the way.
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