Starmer isn't Blair II. Starmer has no charisma, and that's an advantage because people assume that he's incapable of lying.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I see we are ready for brexit and plant movements.
Less than PEACH-y: UK's plant export IT system only works with Internet Explorer
You know, the browser used by 0.34% of netizens nowadays
A key British border IT system used by plant and seed exporters is so ancient that it will only work with Internet Explorer – which was deprecated by Microsoft last year and is used by relatively few people.
www.theregister.com
Or maybe we were all those years ago when people actually used Internet Explorer!
Less than PEACH-y: UK's plant export IT system only works with Internet Explorer
You know, the browser used by 0.34% of netizens nowadays
A key British border IT system used by plant and seed exporters is so ancient that it will only work with Internet Explorer – which was deprecated by Microsoft last year and is used by relatively few people.
Defra PEACH plant export IT system only works with IE11
You know, the browser used by 0.34% of netizens nowadays
www.theregister.com
Or maybe we were all those years ago when people actually used Internet Explorer!
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To Labour's left wing voters Starmer is very definitely Blair mark 2, another suited barrister wanting to take the party into the middle ground of the Lib Dems and moderate Tories.
Labour can't afford to lose any votes at all. To get into power and be able to govern at all needs a swing of at least 120 seats from Tory to Labour. To have overall control probably a swing of 140 seats from the Tories current 80 seat majority.
Without the circa 50 seats they used to enjoy from Scotland long ago and with 14 seats now Tory in once Labour stronghold Wales, that is an immense ask from fundamentally conservative England.
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Starmer represents wokism. The antithesis of Boris. Starmer will never win a GE.
so you wish.
Conservative lead in opinion polls until last November, it's now all gone, reflecting reversal of fortune.
Currently, Labour leads by 4%-5% (39%/34%, Opinium 5-Jan, YouGov 6-Jan).
Some won't, the hard line left wingers who hated Blair. As I said, Labour can't afford to lose any votes at all, given the size of the task they face.
To have overall control to be able to govern, 39% of current Tory seats need to swing to Labour, almost all of them English seats.
Despite my dislike of Starmer I really want Labour to win, but since the rise of the SNP and the softening of Welsh attitudes to the Tory party, that needs something of a miracle.
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As usual making assumptions.
I, d like Labour to be in power.
But simple fact , that hasn't changed, is party is split, has a leader that is seen as Blairite. Just stating facts Woosh, not wishes. Starmer can't win a GE.
Somebody much wiser than me a few weeks ago described situation at moment as you, ve just stayed out til 3am in morning, come home roaring drunk, thrown up in kitchen and fallen down stairs. The Mrs is annoyed as hell, hasn't spoke to you for a week but will she divorce you over it. Very doubtful... Will be forgotten in a few months... If you behave... Tories have 3 years to put house in order. When it comes to voting Starmer will be portrayed as rich, well meaning, woke, character less socialist.. Which he is. No chance of winning a GE no matter what polls say at moment.
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Who would the hardcore Labour left vote for if they would not vote Labour because of Starmer's soft policies?
No, you want BJ - you have made it plenty clear.
On the contrary. Labour is more unified now than under the last management.
Starmer did not come from a rich family. His dad was a toolmaker, not investment banker.
The thing is, both Starmer and LibDem's Ed Davey are similar in that they are the opposite of flamboyant.
May be the country would do better with non-flamboyant leaders.
The more extreme. Surely you've seen how long the list of candidates were at both of the last GEs., someone for everyone of any persuasion. Or just not bothering to vote, something Labour have always suffered from. It's how Boris Johnson became London mayor, not by winning but by Labour complacency letting him in.
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I believe that those on the Labour Left who would rather that BJ remains instead of Starmer will be in very small number.
On the other hand, small "c" conservative voters who are sick of seeing BJ and the likes of Owen Paterson or Pritti Patel on TV will be in much larger number.
Hold the front page, Serbian man fights to stay in Australia, and a man gets stuck in a lift.
Is this all that’s kicking off at the moment?
Is this all that’s kicking off at the moment?
Fully agree, Clement Attlee being the perfect example. But getting them into power is another thing completely.
Both the Brexit vote and the massive vote for Johnson in 2019 shows how easily the people are influenced by flamboyance.
Here in Central Croydon we turned that weapon against the Tories. Always a very marginal constituency swinging a few hundred votes each way, it had been held by Gavin Barlow for the Tories for a short while. With Momentum we flooded the streets with large groups of happy, smiling and laughing young people doing the cavassing en masse, creating an unusual atmosphere of carefree optimism.
The result in 2017 was a miracle, achieving a majority of over 10,000 for new candidate Sarah Jones who had failed twice elsewhere. We repeated it for the 2019 election and increased that majority against the trend in the whole of the rest of the country.
Just a pity there aren't anywhere near enough of the right sort of young people to do this nationally. I don't see glum and pessimistic looking Starmer achieving remotely the same.
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Yes, I, d rather have BJ than any of others.
And yes Labour more unified than 5 years ago.
Neither a ringing endorsement of either.
Starmer's inability to prosecute many offenders under fear of him being labelled racist upset many. It won't be forgotten and neither will how Labour Party (specifically Corbyn) treated Mary Champion over similar matters.
Labour Party has lost its way, yes slightly more on track but nowhere near back on it. The wokism, BLM, LGBT etc etc etc etc diminished all hopes of them getting in power. (along with all reasons Flecc explains so well)
Anybody would think a GE had just been called. It hasn't. Stupid pollls have Labour infront, it's such a change and shock it becomes a talking point just confirming how much out of race Labour actually are.
Wait till a GE is called and Boris /Tories have wound into everyone both Starmer's glaring faults and their "victory" over Omicron.
Voters are fickle and less so than polls. Labour will as always play into Tory hands, just as they have on Omicron threat. Thick springs to mind. Starmer is certainly not gifted now is he.
All the things he could have levelled at Boris...
Think polls said we were staying in EU?? Got that wrong too.
Like a torch with a failing battery when contrasted against Johnson's thermonuclear explosion just in front of your cornea in terms of glaring faults.
maybe not a ringing endorsement but still enough momentum to remove the current conservative government.
Just wait a few months for those small "c" conservative voters to be fed up with rising taxes, poor public services and 5%-7% inflation.
The polling gap will widen then to 10% or more.