If anyone says anything against Liz Truss, don't believe it, iT'z sLurs.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Mmm. I, m not so sure.
Just stop and think what's going on.
There are both medical and political reasons to over play dangers of Omicron.
Medically we almost must assume its terribly dangerous, take avoiding action until we know exactly what's going on. It's been prudent, and Whitty must do that.It's why he was given freehand last week. Then Boris appeased his rebels.. Saving Xmas. (and businesses)
Boris must overplay it for other reasons. He, s rolled out a good attempt at 1 million jabs a day. (OK, 830,000) and there is a campaign to bring anti vaxxers to their senses.
Let's assume Omicron doesn't kill (tens of) thousands more and that NHS isn't over run with covid patients in January. Tories and Boris will just claim its the vaccine booster programme and it willl be impossible to prove otherwise. Especially so if they do convince more jab decliners to come on board.
And, all done without lockdown.
Omicron could easily save Boris. You watch what happens, it's why Tories are in power.
If Omicron doesn't prove too bad it's win win win for Boris. One, he won't have locked down. (brings his rebels back in fold) Two.. He can claim, and offer plenty of evidence its as a result of boosters.
Three.. NHS saved..
Parties and such will be forgotten about. Boris will have saved the day. Well, we'll be led to believe he has.
Nearly all the news and research is saying Omicron isn't as deadly, fewer in hospital, fewer on MV.. All being played down??? Yep, safest thing to do.. But plays into Boris' hands too.
Don't underestimate him. He got to be king rat for a reason.
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As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.
The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.
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Yep, I thought about it... For about 3 milliseconds..This afternoon, I heard Sardine Huawei on the wireless appealing to retired teachers to return to the classroom.
As if that is going to happen
So now its a good idea to put the elderly retired 65 + age groups into unstructured groups with 30 household mixing?. Which part of the memo about restricted social contacts was lost in translation?.This afternoon, I heard Sardine Huawei on the wireless appealing to retired teachers to return to the classroom.
As if that is going to happen
Thing is we are becoming more and more dependant on self regulation amongst general public over covid... Now agreed Boris is shameful but the one thing less likely to make correct decision in this regard is... The general public.
Was grands sons football party/presentation yesterday. 20 or so 8 Yr olds along with doting parents/grand parents... pie and peas, beer and skittles, Christmas hats... Magician... The works. All indoors in pub party room. Very well attended, apparently. Two grand parents didn't show. I was one of them...
Somebody tell me who has it right.?
Causing a few rifts in our household.
Teachers have been very badly supported and undervalued by this government. The point you make illustrates they still don’t care. They haven’t, for one moment, considered their wellbeing.
I feel social pressure to attend indoor gatherings. I went out with the cycling club yesterday morning. Had a brilliant ride with 15 other people. At the end, they all went to a café for breakfast. I said I wasn’t going and wished them all a very merry Christmas.
I could tell they didn’t like the fact I wasn’t joining them and probably thought I was a miserable bastard, which is actually true. I also believe that they knew they shouldn’t really be mixing indoors and my decision to decline made them feel guilty. The ride was a lovely social event, but it’s still not enough for many people.
I think there were others in the group who were uneasy about the café, but felt pressured to attend. This is where a rule from government would help.
I felt same yesterday....I was the odd one out... Perhaps people do need rules. They can't operate on requests. Witty coming on everyday asking us to prioritise our gatherings... He's ignored.
And it was exactly same when all this started. Son in law insisted on going to Cheltenham. Then surprise surprise.. it became a super spreader event. We all knew it would be, all of us. So why go..??
But if Boris or whoever gives us a rule (which I don't think he, d get through parliament at moment), he, s criticised my Tom Porridge and Marko Pierre Sh! te for attacking hospitality. Perhaps we should bill the pubs for at least covid ambulance costs.
Notice that today's papers are swinging into action. Pleading with Boris to not lockdown and that his vaccine cavalry are on their way. Its so predictable.
All done on back drop of
(SA covid worldometer)
Cases
Deaths (same period)
But don't worry the we can hear the Cavalry bugle already..
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Not locking down over Christmas & New Year is a massive gamble. We aren’t sure how lethal Omicron is yet. It couldn’t have struck at a worse time, there is much pressure to mix and socialise of the next two weeks. I think we should put the brakes on and perhaps ease restrictions early January. Then more will be known and there is less socialising. January is pretty quiet.
I feel sorry for the hospitality industry. It’s a victim of covid and always will be until it’s over. No point keeping it on life support for the sake of it. Folks will spend their cheese elsewhere and when demand returns, new hospitality businesses will spring up.
I agree about the lockdown. Think we should but over the general situation with Delta, Flu and state NHS is in administering vaccines etc etc. Not necessarily just for Omicron.
Afraid I, m less understanding of hospitality.
Seems all the ones complaining call sauce jus for some reason. Our take aways are doing fine. Perhaps Wallace, Oliver and the foul mouthed cyclist should open fish and chip shops.
Pubs have been closing for decades. The industry needs to catch up. Move on.
I'm convinced.
Dominic Raab, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, has been on the airwaves for the governmen this morning and, on the Downing Street picture, he stuck to the line that it was a work gathering – although he also road-tested the novel argument that it could not have been a party because people were wearing suits. He told Times Radio.
The point I’d make is the rules that you were referring to were all the social mixing rules. This was not a social gathering. It is palpably not a social gathering, because you had people in work suits, following meetings that they were having at work.
Dominic Raab, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, has been on the airwaves for the governmen this morning and, on the Downing Street picture, he stuck to the line that it was a work gathering – although he also road-tested the novel argument that it could not have been a party because people were wearing suits. He told Times Radio.
The point I’d make is the rules that you were referring to were all the social mixing rules. This was not a social gathering. It is palpably not a social gathering, because you had people in work suits, following meetings that they were having at work.
I am not sure you would react the same way if you were in their shoes.
He's wrong in one respect. Forget the suits, almost all work places are as a by product social gatherings and they are specifically exempt from the Covid regulations.
The fact is that the Covid regulation are, like all hurriedly passed regulations, bad law, confused and impossible to apply sensibly.
Morally some of these gathering were certainly at fault. But not legally, given the state of the law on this subject making a successful defence very simple.
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this year, not locking down is less dangerous than last year.
Those currently being in hospital are mostly unvaccinated or over 75.
I reckon that the level of hospitalisation will peak at around 15-January with less than 30,000 being treated at the same time.
It appears that no-one asked the question: "What would happen if this was printed on the front pages?"
The answer to which is unfolding.