Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Thank you for your concern Soundwave, but I'll get boosted and keep getting boosted and vaxxed till I can jump tall buildings with a single bound, using my newly sprouted mutated monster legs covered with great big pointed glow in the dark teeth... all the better to spike and catch unwary folk with... to devour on rooftops, flapping giant leathery bat wings.

I had my booster shot three weeks ago and had the sort of serious side effects that Soundwave is so afraid of

NOTHING HAS HAPPENED THAT I CAN CLAIM COMPENSATION FOR

And has been said so often than many of his persuasion.
I don't know anybody else who has suffered such a disappointing side effect that isn't profitable to those suffering from W.A.S.
(Work Avoidance Syndrome)

 

[oldgroaner]

"Professor Sir John Bell lays out likely symptoms of #omicron - congested nose, sore throat, fatigue and muscle pain especially in the back. So fairly different to #delta "

let me just make this observation
Never trust a Bell without checking the contents of your wallet
.......or Bank account.

Trust me
I know!

 

[flecc]

Unfortunately there are those among the present living only so far because their stupidity has not been enough to negate dumb luck.
Being such an inadequate adult that it is necessary to believe anything that supports their irrational fear of a little prick, and cowardly evasion of responsibility by drug taking and being work shy
Only results in them being big pricks.

The vaccines only offer protection against symptomatic infection, not against catching and spreading Covid-19. Even if you are vaccinated, you can still be infected with COVID-19 and pass it on to others. So Soundwave is no more of an infection threat than a vaccinated person.

Nor does vaccination necessarily protect against symptomatic infection. Dr Susan Hopkins, the UKHSA’s chief medical adviser, said: “I think what we’re seeing is that if you’ve had two doses more than three months ago, then it’s not going to prevent you from getting symptomatic disease.”

As things stand we appear to need a fresh vaccination every three months for ever to indefinitely protect us from getting seriously ill with Covid. Trouble is we don't know how much harm the vaccines might do to us if we continue to pump them into us at that rate.
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[Zlatan]

The vaccines only offer protection against symptomatic infection, not against catching and spreading Covid-19. Even if you are vaccinated, you can still be infected with COVID-19 and pass it on to others. So Soundwave is no more of an infection threat than a vaccinated person.

Nor does vaccination necessarily protect against symptomatic infection. Dr Susan Hopkins, the UKHSA’s chief medical adviser, said: “I think what we’re seeing is that if you’ve had two doses more than three months ago, then it’s not going to prevent you from getting symptomatic disease.”

As things stand we appear to need a fresh vaccination every three months for ever to indefinitely protect us from getting seriously ill with Covid. Trouble is we don't know how much harm the vaccines might do to us if we continue to pump them into us at that rate.
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Shouldn't be hard to find out, some idiot in New Zealand was accepting cash to stand in for whoever would pay. Apparently his record was 10 on one day.. I wonder what his Immunity is?

 

[GLJoe]

the fact is these vaccines have had more adr reported in history than any other vaccines...

Actually Soundwave, while that statement is correct, maybe you should have fleshed it out and given the whole story! which is:

These 'vaccines' have already caused more deaths and adverse reactions, than ALL other vaccinations COMBINED, since records began!!!

And in every other previous medical trial (and lets not forget - this is still a trial!), when the death toll gets up to around 50 people, the trial is immediately halted and the vaccines withdrawn. We are now ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE past this figure.
Yet nothing has changed, but worse, nobody in the mainstream seems to want to talk about it.
Why isn't this THE number 1 point of discussion ??? Short of a third world war, I'd have thought this would have been the biggest front page news since ... well ... WW2 !!
Its almost as if the whole of the MSM are being pressurised in some way to avoid talking about it. But is that possible ?

 

[Zlatan]

Actually Soundwave, while that statement is correct, maybe you should have fleshed it out and given the whole story! which is:

These 'vaccines' have already caused more deaths and adverse reactions, than ALL other vaccinations COMBINED, since records began!!!

And in every other previous medical trial (and lets not forget - this is still a trial!), when the death toll gets up to around 50 people, the trial is immediately halted and the vaccines withdrawn. We are now ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE past this figure.
Yet nothing has changed, but worse, nobody in the mainstream seems to want to talk about it.
Why isn't this THE number 1 point of discussion ??? Short of a third world war, I'd have thought this would have been the biggest front page news since ... well ... WW2 !!
Its almost as if the whole of the MSM are being pressurised in some way to avoid talking about it. But is that possible ?

How many people have died as a result of a COVID-19 vaccine? | National Statistical

blog.ons.gov.uk

There have been 9 in UK from well over 100 million administered. Very roughly 1 in 10 million.??

 

[GLJoe]

Nor does vaccination necessarily protect against symptomatic infection...

There have a number of people in work with me that have been double jabbed (as a minimum - not sure about a third dose) but in the last few months have been off work with something nasty and have had a positive Covid PCR test.

Whether some of them are taking the pi$$ and just want some time off, I'm not certain (although I doubt it to be honest) however I spoke on the phone to some of them that I know very well, and they did indeed sound like someone who was ill!

 

[flecc]

These 'vaccines' have already caused more deaths and adverse reactions, than ALL other vaccinations COMBINED, since records began!!!

Why isn't this THE number 1 point of discussion ??? Short of a third world war, I'd have thought this would have been the biggest front page news since ... well ... WW2 !!

Probably due to the balance of fear of this very infectious pandemic against the harm done by the protection attempts.

I can't see that balance changing while new infectious variants continue to appear, stoking up the fear each time.
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[GLJoe]

How many people have died as a result of a COVID-19 vaccine? | National Statistical

blog.ons.gov.uk

There have been 9 in UK from well over 100 million administered. Very roughly 1 in 10 million.??

Simple observation of even the heavily censored news will tell a person that the death toll due to the vaccinations cannot possibly be in single digits.

I'm pretty sure even the official figures from the vaccine manufacturers are orders of magnitude higher than that! and its not as if THEY are going to be particularly forthcoming with the truth now are they?

 

[oyster]

Looks like the number of MPs able to vote is reducing by the minute. So many are testing positive.

Despite the warnings, some tories continued to refuse to wear masks. (Whether or not they would have had any meaningful impact.) Unfortunately, it isn't going in the direction of tories losing far more than the rest.

Somehow, there would be a degree of satisfaction in seeing a no-confidence motion passed because the tories were so inept they couldn't muster enough support due to Covid.

 

[Danidl]

The vaccines only offer protection against symptomatic infection, not against catching and spreading Covid-19. Even if you are vaccinated, you can still be infected with COVID-19 and pass it on to others. So Soundwave is no more of an infection threat than a vaccinated person.

Nor does vaccination necessarily protect against symptomatic infection. Dr Susan Hopkins, the UKHSA’s chief medical adviser, said: “I think what we’re seeing is that if you’ve had two doses more than three months ago, then it’s not going to prevent you from getting symptomatic disease.”

As things stand we appear to need a fresh vaccination every three months for ever to indefinitely protect us from getting seriously ill with Covid. Trouble is we don't know how much harm the vaccines might do to us if we continue to pump them into us at that rate.
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Its what is not being said which also matters... The vaccines , even from months ago Will ameliorate symptoms, reduce severity and lessen viral loads passed on. They will also enhance the probability of not even getting infected at all .. not as much as a recent jag , but as Tesco says every little helps

 

[Zlatan]

Simple observation of even the heavily censored news will tell a person that the death toll due to the vaccinations cannot possibly be in single digits.

I'm pretty sure even the official figures from the vaccine manufacturers are orders of magnitude higher than that! and its not as if THEY are going to be particularly forthcoming with the truth now are they?

So who's figures do you believe?
Fair enough government and Boris lie by default but NHS, ONS, JVCI, Mhra... They have a vested interest in being truthful.
What's point of administering a jab to save people that kills them.???
Where are your figures from suggesting this Vaccine(covid) has killed most in history. A big claim with no reference...
Same old story with anti vaxxers. What is it 95% of statistics made up on spot. Then somebody believes them, next thing there's a conspiracy theory.
And low and behold many then justifying not having vaccine on made up stats(statements) like yours. That's what is killing people, not the vaccine.

 

[oldgroaner]

The vaccines only offer protection against symptomatic infection, not against catching and spreading Covid-19. Even if you are vaccinated, you can still be infected with COVID-19 and pass it on to others. So Soundwave is no more of an infection threat than a vaccinated person.

Nor does vaccination necessarily protect against symptomatic infection. Dr Susan Hopkins, the UKHSA’s chief medical adviser, said: “I think what we’re seeing is that if you’ve had two doses more than three months ago, then it’s not going to prevent you from getting symptomatic disease.”

As things stand we appear to need a fresh vaccination every three months for ever to indefinitely protect us from getting seriously ill with Covid. Trouble is we don't know how much harm the vaccines might do to us if we continue to pump them into us at that rate.
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All very well, but he can still end up dead from it
Sorry flecc but all of that doesn't mean not having the jabs won't risk your life

 

[oldgroaner]

Getting back to a possible replacement for De Piffle as PM, I'm pleased to say that my favourite Grayling has been found and still in cracking form.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1470790987626733582

 

[flecc]

Its what is not being said which also matters... The vaccines , even from months ago Will ameliorate symptoms, reduce severity and lessen viral loads passed on.

Agreed, as I did say, protection against symptomatic infection.

They will also enhance the probability of not even getting infected at all .. not as much as a recent jag , but as Tesco says every little helps

I've seen no evidence of this, only statements, including by the makers, that they do not prevent one getting infected and passing on the virus. I've made the point before that the vaccinated person is inherently more dangerous than an unvaccinated one, since with few or no symptoms they may be unaware they've caught it so can innocently be spreading it.

As Health Secretary Sajid Javid was arguing in the HoC today, the vaccines are about protecting the NHS from critical care overload. No-one is claiming they stop infections.

Of course Javid was being disingenuous, its the Tory governments who ran the NHS down to almost the lowest hospital and ICU beds per 100k in the world we needed protection from.
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[flecc]

All very well, but he can still end up dead from it
Sorry flecc but all of that doesn't mean not having the jabs won't risk your life

But that is Soundwave's choice and one he is entitled to.

See the lower half of my latest post to see the real villains.
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[soundwave]

But that is Soundwave's choice and one he is entitled to.

See the lower half of my latest post to see the real villains.
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and im still not dead tho i went round the local shop last Friday opened the door and the fkn thing broke off its hinges and nearly squashed me lol.

last year i got ran over 2 times! had some twat try to punch me in my face on my bike and got raided buy cid.

and no virus has got me yet

 

[Zlatan]

But that is Soundwave's choice and one he is entitled to.

See the lower half of my latest post to see the real villains.
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I think that's a matter of opinion flecc. Yes, everybody is entitled to refuse jab but are they then automatically entitled to an ICU bed later on..
Or, as in thousands of peoples cases is it OK such behaviour prevents others receiving basic care. Thousands of ops delayed because NHS has far more covid patients than it should. If its unavoidable, fair enough, but when a jab could reduce that pressure its not fair.
Years ago, we had similar with idiots refusing to wear helmets. That was a free choice too. It was only to keep people out of wards that was introduced.

 

[Zlatan]

and im still not dead tho i went round the local shop last Friday opened the door and the fkn thing broke off its hinges and nearly squashed me lol.

last year i got ran over 2 times! had some twat try to punch me in my face on my bike and got raided buy cid.

and no virus has got me yet

Only because millions have had jab for you and endowed you with some protection.

 

[Danidl]

There have a number of people in work with me that have been double jabbed (as a minimum - not sure about a third dose) but in the last few months have been off work with something nasty and have had a positive Covid PCR test.

Whether some of them are taking the pi$$ and just want some time off, I'm not certain (although I doubt it to be honest) however I spoke on the phone to some of them that I know very well, and they did indeed sound like someone who was ill!

One cannot talk for the UK, which is now a different place, but ..
The European Medical Agency collates data for the EU and it's figure are in 490 Million doses of Pfizer administered in the EU up to 1st December, there were 471,000 adverse reactions filed and in 5900 of these a fatality was noted. So the EU is very much up front and proactive in providing information. Note you need to take these data with care. It doesn't mean that 5900 people died from the vaccine and it doesn't mean that 471,000 people had serious side effects. It means that there were 471,000 side effects reported ,and some people would be reported as multiple side effects .. eg a headache is a side effect , a headache and diarrhoea is two side effects.,but would be listed once if the person reported them once. Some side effects were serious including pericarditis and hepatitis.. Deaths need not be due to the vaccine, but it might have contributed,..and that is enough for it to be included... Even were it so the maximum fatality rate from Pfizer is 1: 100,000 , whereas the UK published death rate from Covid is 1.7:100
Similar data from the USA with 459 million doses ,..of various brands, indicate 10,000 fatalities, using a similar methodology.