Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Just how many parties were there?

Shaun Bailey quits London assembly role after lockdown party reports
Mayoral candidate attended ‘raucous’ event at Conservative party’s campaign HQ last winter

 

[GLJoe]

You, and others, decide that Vaccines cause massive problems and deaths in unacceptable numbers. (with no real evidence to point you in that direction to start with) ...

BTW, if you do some searching for how the US VAERS figures have gone through the roof since the Covid Vaccinations started, you'll keep coming up with graphs like this:

(this one's a bit out of date ... but you get the idea ...)

 

[GLJoe]

GI Joe .. perhaps you should read the report s you proudly proffer... That report for AZ lists 12 deaths where the Vaccine was a probable cause.

Hmmm. Apologies if I've misread it. Where is it where it says 12 ?

 

[oyster]

BTW, if you do some searching for how the US VAERS figures have gone through the roof since the Covid Vaccinations started, you'll keep coming up with graphs like this:

(this one's a bit out of date ... but you get the idea ...)
View attachment 45012

You have to take into account the population being vaccinated. How many elderly, in poor health, etc.?

 

[soundwave]

There are now 8000 ,000,000 doses of vaccine administered globally and its increasing by 36,000,000 per day.

and it has not stopped one person catching it transmitting it or causing death from it even if the hole world was jabbed it would not change this fact it is not a cure and a treatment to lesson the side effects and save the nhs.

yet the tory government has spent the last ten years destroying the nhs with cuts what have they done in the last 2 years to fix this nothing. and next year plan to sack another 100k that refuse the jab same as the care home staff do as your told or you are out!

well i hope every single one of them gets the sack and takes the government to court as this is bs but either way will be a total disaster for all involved but boris does not give a ****.

 

[soundwave]

Pinned by Louis Rossmann

Louis Rossmann
10 minutes ago
fully demonetized video, don't care. this was totally worth it

 

[Nev]

There have a number of people in work with me that have been double jabbed (as a minimum - not sure about a third dose) but in the last few months have been off work with something nasty and have had a positive Covid PCR test.

I too know lots of people who have been double jabbed and gone on to get Covid but although the symptoms can be nasty they don't usually result in a hospital stay.

The problem is down to bad or lazy reporting by the media, by Politicians and sometimes by Health experts. I have lost count how many times I have heard or read the following:-

The vaccines give you 90 to 95% protection from Covid, or words and percentage figures very similar to this. The problem with this statement is that an awful lot of people think that if you get vaccinated you have only around a 5% chance of catching the virus. Unfortunately that's not the case, the 90% plus figures are to do with the protection the vaccines give you from ending up seriously ill and spending time in hospital.

If we take the AZ vaccine for example which I think is what most of us had in the UK, lots of data now show it is only around 60% effective at stopping you catching the virus, but around 89% effective at stopping you getting seriously ill.

So those people who work with you likely had the AZ vaccine and were probably telling you the truth when they said they had covid (Delta version). Pizer provided a bit more protection but is still not 95% effective at stopping you catching covid, but is excellent at preventing serious illness.

Lets hope the vaccines prevent serious illness from Omicron, data from SA seems to show that they do, but are probably not going to be all that good at stopping people catching it in the first place.

 

[Danidl]

Hmmm. Apologies if I've misread it. Where is it where it says 12 ?

Read the tables...

 

[oldgroaner]

This years No 1 Xmas Hit

 

[guerney]

Beyond Omicron: what’s next for COVID’s viral evolution

The rapid spread of new variants offers clues to how SARS-CoV-2 is adapting and how the pandemic will play out over the next several months.

www.nature.com

 

[Woosh]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03619-8

This article singles out two paths that help the virus to mutate, super spreader events and immuno-compromised patients. Perhaps more effort should be made there.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

This article singles out two paths that help the virus to mutate, super spreader events and immuno-compromised patients. Perhaps more effort should be made there.

Without wanting to sound completely sanctimoniously politically correct, there is a kind of moral justice in it. An untreated hiv patient in South Africa in the syndromal phase (one of the most deprived under treated patient groups in our callously unequal world) giving back some of the suffering

 

[oyster]

Prof Tim Spector, who helped found the Covid Zoe app, which tracks the spread of the virus by getting people to report symptoms, told the Today programme this morning that the “majority of symptoms” of the Omicron variant are like a common cold, including headaches, sore throat, runny nose, fatigue and sneezing. He said:


In London, where Covid is increasing rapidly, its far more likely to be Covid than it is to be a cold.

We’re seeing doubling in the numbers equivalent to what’s being seen elsewhere, every two-and-a-half days, and that really means numbers are going up.

If we look at our regional charts we see London accelerating more than we’ve seen it since the very first wave and this now means that Omicron is the predominant variant already.

We’ll be at 100% very soon, so that’s happened in just a matter of days - that’s is why so many people are going down with infections.

 

[Woosh]

Prof Tim Spector, who helped found the Covid Zoe app, which tracks the spread of the virus by getting people to report symptoms, told the Today programme this morning that the “majority of symptoms” of the Omicron variant are like a common cold, including headaches, sore throat, runny nose, fatigue and sneezing. He said:




In London, where Covid is increasing rapidly, its far more likely to be Covid than it is to be a cold.

We’re seeing doubling in the numbers equivalent to what’s being seen elsewhere, every two-and-a-half days, and that really means numbers are going up.

If we look at our regional charts we see London accelerating more than we’ve seen it since the very first wave and this now means that Omicron is the predominant variant already.

We’ll be at 100% very soon, so that’s happened in just a matter of days - that’s is why so many people are going down with infections.

his view seems to confirm that Omicron evades previous infections an vaccines but not T-cell defense.
It's good to see more jabs but the end result wouldn't be much different if the jabs were delayed until the new year.

 

[flecc]

This article singles out two paths that help the virus to mutate, super spreader events and immuno-compromised patients. Perhaps more effort should be made there.

Having read it through, what I derive is that there's not much point in a future continuous path of vaccinations that are only effective against the disappearing variants, not the rapidly appearing replacement variants.

The best defence is likely to be learning to live with it, acceptance that SARS is with us for good, so masking when appropriate and we all now know when that is; in public enclosed spaces including transport. To that we could usefully add the common Far Eastern practice of masking 24 hours a day in public for a few days when there's any signs of having cold like symptoms.
.

 

[flecc]

Prof Tim Spector, who helped found the Covid Zoe app, which tracks the spread of the virus by getting people to report symptoms, told the Today programme this morning that the “majority of symptoms” of the Omicron variant are like a common cold, including headaches, sore throat, runny nose, fatigue and sneezing. He said:




In London, where Covid is increasing rapidly, its far more likely to be Covid than it is to be a cold.

We’re seeing doubling in the numbers equivalent to what’s being seen elsewhere, every two-and-a-half days, and that really means numbers are going up.

If we look at our regional charts we see London accelerating more than we’ve seen it since the very first wave and this now means that Omicron is the predominant variant already.

We’ll be at 100% very soon, so that’s happened in just a matter of days - that’s is why so many people are going down with infections.

I'm not concerned about infection rates in London. We've had these rapid rises for both the Alpha and Delta variants but the hospitalisation rates, while wobbling up and down, stay very constant over time and death rates remain low. That last fact calls into question their contention that prior immunity isn't effective against later variants like Delta.

Here's the hospital admissions chart to yesterday, showing how the Omicron rise is no more rapid that those prior to it and the level well within prior Delta and Autumn bounds. In other words, cool the hysteria, it isn't justified:

And here's the infection chart, showing how the high Omicron infections aren't turning into hospitalisation yet:

 

[oyster]

Why isn't this THE number 1 point of discussion ???

Fundamentally, if we were to accept your figure, even multiply it a few times and then compare with deaths from Covid, even if we divide the big number a bit because most of accept it is a very difficult number to count properly, we still end up with a situation in which many of us would take the risk of the vaccine over that of Covid.

Those who are themselves particularly susceptible, or are in contact with others who are, might feel that even more strongly.

 

[oyster]

I'm not concerned about infection rates in London.

Nor am I.

 

[Danidl]

his view seems to confirm that Omicron evades previous infections an vaccines but not T-cell defense.
It's good to see more jabs but the end result wouldn't be much different if the jabs were delayed until the new year.

Again the Luke O Neill , Prof of TCD, had this to say. The presence of vaccines in the blood stream allows the infection get into the nose, but protects the lungs so it presents as a common cold. He has recovered after getting infected 2 days ago.

 

[flecc]

National Vaccination Rates Stalled.

I've been watching this day by day and for some while the percentage of those with first or second dose have stayed the same.

Nationally it seems almost 11% are stuck at no first dose and almost 19% no second dose, appearing to be refusenicks.

Nor does it appear to be the young to blame , since I remember that months ago when the over 40s were being jabbed, the government published that 19% of those 50 and over hadn't got the second jab. That exactly matches today's overall figure for the country.

At least the boosters seem to be increasing ok, now at 41% for the country.
.